Do you think the railway industry as a whole has a problem with litter?

[pjnathanail]

Both onboard and at stations?

I was on an Abellio Greater Anglia 170 the other day, and when trying to dispose of my coffee cup I discovered that it was impossible to fit the cup through the bin. I then couldn't find a bin on a station, and ended up carrying it some distance (first world problems I know!)

But as someone with a passing interest in waste management, what are your views? What is done already that can be copied elsewhere? What more should be done?

 

[Deerfold]

The country as a whole seems to have a problem with litter.

More usefully, on a increasing number of EC services they have a member of staff pass down the train with a bin bag inviting people to add their litter which many do.

 

[Smudger105e]

The bins were removed because of terrorist attacks in the 1980s. That risk had not gone away, although potential devices are likely to be placed by different groups these days.

And I think that society in general has a problem with litter and waste, not just the railways.

 

[MyFriendMary]

What Loco said. That's why they are those weird plastic see through omes

 

[Qwerty133]

Noticed today that 170115 has had a bin installed in the vestibule next to first class.

 

[LateThanNever]

The bins were removed because of terrorist attacks in the 1980s. That risk had not gone away, although potential devices are likely to be placed by different groups these days.

And I think that society in general has a problem with litter and waste, not just the railways.

Terrorist attacks are unlikely to be reduced because of lack of litter bins particularly now they, the litter bins that is, are generally transparent on railway stations - though not in streets. After all a bomb went in a Post box at Piccadilly Circus and although it has never been replaced, other Post boxes are available as they say...

The railway problem with litter is largely the railway's own fault - more or less every single catering item is in throwaway packaging!

 

[Jones]

And don't start on embankments and some yards.....

 

[Hyphen]

Noticed today that 170115 has had a bin installed in the vestibule next to first class.

I want to say that's new. I was under the impression that XC's three-car 170s had a bin in the centre cars, and was told that the two-car examples don't have a bin at all.

(I know XC has one or two 170s with a 'darker' interior than their normal stock - perhaps it's one of those?)

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

We've had a recent thread on this, in the Stations section: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=97096
It appears some TOCs (well, VT at least) are putting bins back after many years, and adding recycling facilities.

 

[umontu]

No.
Compared to some cab rides I've seen from the 90's the current situation isn't too bad, in stations anyways, line side is about the same I'd say.

 

[bronzeonion]

I think you mean the general public have a problem with littering.

 

[BurtonM]

The only 'litter' I usually see is embankments in rough areas, and a plague of Metros.
Was even worse in the days of thelondonpaper and London Lite, but hey, you had a lot to read!

 

[BestWestern]

The only 'litter' I usually see is embankments in rough areas, and a plague of Metros.
Was even worse in the days of thelondonpaper and London Lite, but hey, you had a lot to read!

Metro is long overdue scrapping; it's high time people grasped the obvious reality that it is nothing more than a downmarket advertising vehicle created for no reason other than to make money. It irritates me enormously the way that those responsible for producing it have managed to push it as some sort of trendy cult thing and an integral part of every commuter's day. It takes less than 5 mins to scan through the poorly assembled 'news' articles, and the rest is just a load of crap to fill the pages. And now they do recycling bins....oh the hypocrisy! Because churning out tons of utterly pointless newspaper five days a week is the hallmark of an environmentally concerned organisation! Grrrr....

 

[BurtonM]

Metro is made my the same people as the Daily Mail, of course it's rubbish!

 

[Greenback]

I agree with those who have said that the problem is not restricted to the railway. We, as a society, have a problem with littering, and it is indeed human beings that leave a mess.

That said, there are problems on trains and stations concerning the disposal of litter.

I don't really like polls like this, sorry. The issue is not normally as simple as the poll options would suggest.

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

Although most people are considerate and dispose of their rubbish in a sensible way, there are some passengers and some members of public that just seem lazy and can't be bothered to take their litter home with them which I find annoying. ( I have pointed out sometimes when a passenger gets off a train that they have left something behind and they usually look red faced and take it away.)

When I was at school and any of us got caught dropping litter, we had to stay behind after school for an hour one evening to pick up all the litter in the playground and playing field and if the schoolmaster did not think there was enough rubbish for us to pick up, he used to empty a couple of litter bins on the ground for us to clear up.
We also had to write lines or a long essay in another detention about why it was wrong to drop litter etc. (Perhaps these methods could be used on messy rail passengers, by the guard/station manager etc?)

 

[Gemz91]

The problem is with people not taking rubbish with them, and wrongly assuming that cleaners will get on board/its the guards job to litter pick.

Majority of people don't go to the park for a picnic, leave their rubbish behind and assume the council will provide litter pickers to remove their rubbish. They take it with them. Yet a number of people seem to struggle to take their litter with them whilst travelling on a train.

 

[VisualAcid]

Ate a banana at Temple Meads waiting for an XC service to Birmingham in half an hour, had to get on the Gloucester train to Parkway to use the bin .

It's difficult to judge the public on the trains with limited bin space nowadays, I don't want to spend half an hour with a banana peel in my hand particulary. Cleaning staff milling around with the plastic bags like they do on XC? In big stations could be a good solution.

 

[anti-pacer]

West Yorkshire has a massive problem with trackside and embankment litter, largely due to the fact that this area is home to a large element of dirty scrotes. Probably the same dirty scrotes who claim that Yorkshire is "God's Own Country"!

Take a train out of Leeds to Bradford Interchange and the evidence is shocking. The Dewsbury area is also an utter embarrassment.

Having lived all over this country and now living in my county of birth, I can safely tell you West Yorkshire is a litter strewn hovel. Different attitude up here unfortunately, nobody seems to care!

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

Ate a banana at Temple Meads waiting for an XC service to Birmingham in half an hour, had to get on the Gloucester train to Parkway to use the bin .

It's difficult to judge the public on the trains with limited bin space nowadays, I don't want to spend half an hour with a banana peel in my hand particulary. Cleaning staff milling around with the plastic bags like they do on XC? In big stations could be a good solution.

Yes that would be a good Idea, many IC Type services do have cleaning staff on board collecting litter throughout the journey, so having some on stations is a good idea.
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West Yorkshire has a massive problem with trackside and embankment litter, largely due to the fact that this area is home to a large element of dirty scrotes. Probably the same dirty scrotes who claim that Yorkshire is "God's Own Country"!

Take a train out of Leeds to Bradford Interchange and the evidence is shocking. The Dewsbury area is also an utter embarrassment.

Having lived all over this country and now living in my county of birth, I can safely tell you West Yorkshire is a litter strewn hovel. Different attitude up here unfortunately, nobody seems to care!

That is such a shame as Yorkshire is such a beautiful county, especially the countryside.

 

[anti-pacer]

That is such a shame as Yorkshire is such a beautiful county, especially the countryside.

North Yorkshire is beautiful, and also clean. It's West and South that let it down.

West does also have some beautiful countryside, especially in Pennine areas, but even standing on lovely Hebden Bridge station (eastbound platform), you can see fly tipping from the council flats opposite.

Such a shame, and Network Rail don't want to know! God knows what tourists think.

 

[Whistlekiller]

Ate a banana at Temple Meads waiting for an XC service to Birmingham in half an hour, had to get on the Gloucester train to Parkway to use the bin .

It's difficult to judge the public on the trains with limited bin space nowadays, I don't want to spend half an hour with a banana peel in my hand particulary. Cleaning staff milling around with the plastic bags like they do on XC? In big stations could be a good solution.

Try taking a plastic bag with you for your rubbish. Then you won't have to hold on to it like that. A bit like dog walkers taking plastic bags with them. It's common courtesy to others and there'll always be a bin somewhere along your journey where you can deposit it, even if it ends up being at your home. Job done and no one inconvenienced.


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[STEVIEBOY1]

North Yorkshire is beautiful, and also clean. It's West and South that let it down.

West does also have some beautiful countryside, especially in Pennine areas, but even standing on lovely Hebden Bridge station (eastbound platform), you can see fly tipping from the council flats opposite.

Such a shame, and Network Rail don't want to know! God knows what tourists think.

Yes I do like coming to North Yorkshire, I often stay in Pickering and go over the Moors, which is superb. I have friends who live in a town called Yeadon, approx half way between Leeds and Bradford. The area near Yeadon too is very nice. Leeds seems to have had a make over in recent years and was quite pleasant when I was there last, but Bradford seemed a bit shabby in comparison however I understand that is due to be spruced up, so maybe it is looking good now. Ilkley is a pretty town too. It's amazing how large Yorkshire is. I think it takes about an hour to travel by train, from the botton to the top, or VV.

 

[anti-pacer]

Yes I do like coming to North Yorkshire, I often stay in Pickering and go over the Moors, which is superb. I have friends who live in a town called Yeadon, approx half way between Leeds and Bradford. The area near Yeadon too is very nice. Leeds seems to have had a make over in recent years and was quite pleasant when I was there last, but Bradford seemed a bit shabby in comparison however I understand that is due to be spruced up, so maybe it is looking good now. Ilkley is a pretty town too. It's amazing how large Yorkshire is. I think it takes about an hour to travel by train, from the botton to the top, or VV.

Yorkshire is 4 counties, North, South, East, and West, and part of the wider region of Yorkshire and the Humber which in addition to the above, also covers North, and North East Lincolnshire.

It is extremely diverse. So much of it is beautiful, but so much of it is equally the opposite. West and South are heavily populated and industrialised, whereas North, and to a lesser point East are rural.

We have 3 National Parks in our region, and our countryside ranges from the very flat to the very hilly, from picture postcard villages to bleak but equally beautiful moorland.

Leeds is the regions "powerhouse" and is generally considered affluent, but has areas you wouldn't let your dog wipe its feet. It's very much a tale of two cities. Bradford is hopefully on the up again but on appearance is pretty grim. Sheffield is generally OK but needs to sort its city centre out, although this is work in progress. Hull is better than the media would have you believe. York, well, that's just beautiful.

Even in West Yorkshire there's a diverse mix. Ilkley and Hebden Bridge feel a million miles away from towns like Castleford and Dewsbury. The further north you are in West Yorkshire, the nicer it is, generally. The west of the county is the hills and moors of the Pennines, whereas the east is a lot flatter.

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

Yorkshire is 4 counties, North, South, East, and West, and part of the wider region of Yorkshire and the Humber which in addition to the above, also covers North, and North East Lincolnshire.

It is extremely diverse. So much of it is beautiful, but so much of it is equally the opposite. West and South are heavily populated and industrialised, whereas North, and to a lesser point East are rural.

We have 3 National Parks in our region, and our countryside ranges from the very flat to the very hilly, from picture postcard villages to bleak but equally beautiful moorland.

Leeds is the regions "powerhouse" and is generally considered affluent, but has areas you wouldn't let your dog wipe its feet. It's very much a tale of two cities. Bradford is hopefully on the up again but on appearance is pretty grim. Sheffield is generally OK but needs to sort its city centre out, although this is work in progress. Hull is better than the media would have you believe. York, well, that's just beautiful.

Even in West Yorkshire there's a diverse mix. Ilkley and Hebden Bridge feel a million miles away from towns like Castleford and Dewsbury. The further north you are in West Yorkshire, the nicer it is, generally. The west of the county is the hills and moors of the Pennines, whereas the east is a lot flatter.

I'd agree with this. (I did infact have a weekend in Hull some years ago, <Really just to try out what was then the fairly new Hull Trains Service in First Class, then it was operated I think in connection with Anglia Trains and was formed of 2, three car dmus coupled up. They did include free tea & Coffee and a light ploughmans type meal which was quite nice. Not sure what they do now> anyway Hull city centre was interesting, especially the museums which were all near each other I recall and one had a good transport section. There was also a big aquarium near the river which was very good.

I did have one bad experience when the bus-rail service to Cleethorpes did not connect and I had to spend over an hour at Barton.)
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Another item praising Yorkshire today, I just heard on the radio, that the North Yorkshire town of Skipton has just been named the best place to live in England.

 

[trentside]

The railway outside my house isn't too bad normally, just a few food containers from the local shopping area - but left my house this morning to find two mattresses dumped inside the level crossing barriers. There is a fly tipping problem in our area, but doing it in the middle of a village kind of takes the you know what!

I've rung Network Rail, and they were going to let control and mobile ops know before someone chucks them on the tracks!

 

[Tracked]

West Yorkshire has a massive problem with trackside and embankment litter, largely due to the fact that this area is home to a large element of dirty scrotes. Probably the same dirty scrotes who claim that Yorkshire is "God's Own Country"!

Take a train out of Leeds to Bradford Interchange and the evidence is shocking. The Dewsbury area is also an utter embarrassment.

Having lived all over this country and now living in my county of birth, I can safely tell you West Yorkshire is a litter strewn hovel. Different attitude up here unfortunately, nobody seems to care!

Have seen the state of the Leeds-Doncaster stopper on a Friday/Saturday night, particularly the ones getting in to Doncaster at 9 & 10pm, it's not just the side of the railways!

So many fast food wrappers & lager cans, even if people bothered using the tiny bins on the 321's they'd be full pretty quickly, fortunately the passengers at this time have found alternative storage locations for their litter: The Floor & The Seats

edit: none of the above options apply in my opinion, if there was "Customers of the Railway Industry have a Litter Problem" then maybe ...

 

[anti-pacer]

Have seen the state of the Leeds-Doncaster stopper on a Friday/Saturday night, particularly the ones getting in to Doncaster at 9 & 10pm, it's not just the side of the railways!

So many fast food wrappers & lager cans, even if people bothered using the tiny bins on the 321's they'd be full pretty quickly, fortunately the passengers at this time have found alternative storage locations for their litter: The Floor & The Seats

edit: none of the above options apply in my opinion, if there was "Customers of the Railway Industry have a Litter Problem" then maybe ...

I have seen that, after a long journey back from Edinburgh via Carlisle just before Christmas. Disgusting!

 

[Topgun333]

Have to agree about embankments around Dewsbury in West Yorkshire. The mess caught the eyes of two American tourists sat opposite me last week. There's one poor tree that looks like a plastic tree.

 

[anti-pacer]

Have to agree about embankments around Dewsbury in West Yorkshire. The mess caught the eyes of two American tourists sat opposite me last week. There's one poor tree that looks like a plastic tree.

Exactly. Visitors notice it, and we're supposed to be showcasing this region this year with the Tour De France "Grand Depart", which, for those of us who live in Yorkshire, gets rammed down our throats every night on BBC Look North. You'd think we'd got the Olympics!

However, we'll have the eyes of the world on us, and whilst I appreciate that the route itself will probably be immaculate, tourists travelling by train around West Yorkshire will see a different side of what we laughingly call "God's Own Country".

The Dewsbury problem is exacerbated by a factory next to the embankment, who quite frankly should pay for it to be cleaned.