Which political party do you side with?

[harry42]

Conservative 78%
Lib Dem 77%
Green 76%
Labour 76%

How helpful!!!

 

[Tracked]

I got:

93% Scottish Nationals

on economic, environmental, healthcare, foreign policy, education, immigration, transportation, and social issues. Click here to see why

91% Labour

on healthcare, domestic policy, foreign policy, transportation, education, and social issues.

90% Liberal Democrats

on economic, healthcare, domestic policy, foreign policy, immigration, and social issues.

89% Green

on environmental, healthcare, foreign policy, education, and social issues.

88% Plaid Cymru

on economic, healthcare, foreign policy, immigration, and education issues.

69% British Nationals

on economic, healthcare, transportation, and education issues.

55% Conservatives

on social issues.

39% UK Independence

no major issues.


Bit surprised with the Brit Nationals result, thought their main policy these days was disappearing in a cloud of bankruptcies and infighting, and with the Scot's Nat thing considering I was against independence (to be fair, some of the non-independence related policies I've heard about do sound reasonable to me).

 

[asylumxl]

I'm not seeing evidence of the Lib Dems being nutcases on the fringe, if this thread's anything to go by...

I find a better form of evidence to be Parliament. Not to sound like a magic 8 ball but "All signs point to yes" .

 

[Clip]

96% Ukip
77% Tory (it'll be a cold day in Hell when I vote for that lot)
67% BNP (as above)
62% Lib Dem (I feel sick)
>50% Labour, Green, SNP and PC

These sorts of answers always make me chuckle. You obviously have quite right wing ideals yet it will be a cold day in hell when you vote for them?

Why ever so? Thats just the most unbalanced thing I have ever read on here.

 

[soil]

The Tories aren't right wing really though, are they.

 

[TheKnightWho]

I find a better form of evidence to be Parliament. Not to sound like a magic 8 ball but "All signs point to yes" .

Well if you compare them to UKIP or the BNP... Even after the next election they'll have more seats than both of them.

 

[Chapeltom]

Well if you compare them to UKIP or the BNP... Even after the next election they'll have more seats than both of them.

They will lose quite a large proportion of their vote share, but will retain a number of their seats. Safe to say, they certainly won't be winning any new seats.

 

[Cambus731]

probably not too suprising as I consider myself Labour right wing.;
96% Labour.

 

[TheKnightWho]

They will lose quite a large proportion of their vote share, but will retain a number of their seats. Safe to say, they certainly won't be winning any new seats.

Agreed, but I can't see UKIP winning more than a small handful at best. They vastly overestimate their strength because they tend to be so vocal.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

The Lib-Dems will definitely lose share based on being viewed as 'lapdogs' of the Tories under the present Coalition. I voted for them at all previous elections since I turned 18 (though due to moving, only twice in the same constituency- something that will most likely apply at the next election too), but almost certainly won't next time around.

Strangely, being the son of a textile worker and a mine-worker's daughter I grew up thinking Labour would be my party of choice, but by the time I was old enough (2001) they were no longer what I would consider "real" Labour. At the next election though, they may be the best option for me both tactically and ideologically.

 

[Giugiaro]

Well, nothing that concerns me, but if I were to have a chance to live and work in the UK, I would take this seriously, so I tried the quizz to see how it would do. This also can help with my political views here in Portugal, which I feel a bit nonpartisan with all the nonsense going on in this place...

I was given 81% for Labour and 79% for the Liberal Democrats. Though, when I went to check the reasons and the compatibilities, I decided to drop the Labour in favour of the Liberal Democrats.

So I consider myself a Liberal Democrat.
Of all the things I agree on, there's just one thing I utterly hate about this party is the way how they deal with the issue on drugs. It's pretty much the only thing I disagree with given the results, since I never been tolerable to drugs and alcohol.

But I don't mind, if they assure such aren't used on crowded areas, public transport stops and platforms, closed spaces and zones with children, as well as forbid under 18's of consuming or buying them, I'll be fine with it.

 

[bronzeonion]

Did this last week, I remember getting 99% Labour, Green came second and Scottish Nationals third, can't remember the rest but UKIP and Tory were bottom two!

 

[NorthernSpirit]

I side with UKIP... Primarily because of the issuses with the European Union (about 75% of our laws are made in Brussels), immigration (the country is full and I've had my stone wall stolen), the lack of jobs (even though I already work, during December / January time there is no work as most factories close due to the Christmas break) and also because I see them as an alternative to the three same old and tired Labour, Tory and Lib Dem parties.

 

[transmanche]

I side with UKIP... Primarily because of the issuses with the European Union (about 75% of our laws are made in Brussels).

Perhaps you ought to read this Channel 4 News Fact Check article from 2010. Even UKIP admit their final calculation 'was not based on any empirical research, but an estimate assisted by “senior political experience” within its ranks'.

And after taking all the information in that article into account; any law "made in Brussels" has to be passed by the European Parliament (a democratically-elected institution) and the Council of Ministers (one of whom is a member of the UK Government).

UK Governments (of all colours) prefer it when "difficult" or unpopular legislation comes via the EU. It means they can claim it was "imposed" on us, even if they voted for it in the Council of Ministers and the European Parliament...

 

[TheKnightWho]

I side with UKIP... Primarily because of the issuses with the European Union (about 75% of our laws are made in Brussels), immigration (the country is full and I've had my stone wall stolen), the lack of jobs (even though I already work, during December / January time there is no work as most factories close due to the Christmas break) and also because I see them as an alternative to the three same old and tired Labour, Tory and Lib Dem parties.

It's just factually incorrect to claim that there are no jobs because of immigration. That simply isn't how the job market works.

 

[MyFriendMary]

Labour
Lib Dem
SNP
Plaid
Green

Then all the other lunatic parties

To be honest I was surprised Green didn't come out higher for me, I thought we were pals. Guess not anymore

 

[MidnightFlyer]

These sorts of answers always make me chuckle. You obviously have quite right wing ideals yet it will be a cold day in hell when you vote for them?

Why ever so? Thats just the most unbalanced thing I have ever read on here.

I can answer that with one simple point - I am first and foremost politically a libertarian. Whilst I fall on the right of that philosophy that doesn't really make a difference (to me at least) - to quote Orwell:

'The real division is not between conservatives and revolutionaries but between authoritarians and libertarians'.

I will never vote for any party that is authoritarian (which is why I said what I said about the Tories, BNP and indeed any other mainstream party). I'm still undecided on Ukip - they are for sure the closest thing there is to a mainstream libertarian party in the UK but I'm not 100% convinced yet. All truth be told, I would probably agree more with a left libertarian (though after all this time I'm still not sure how that philosophy quite works!) than I would with a right wing authoritarian.

The Tories aren't right wing really though, are they.

Agreed.

Agreed, but I can't see UKIP winning more than a small handful at best. They vastly overestimate their strength because they tend to be so vocal.

I would agree with that. Half of the comments I see from Ukip supporters make me cringe, you'd think there was going to be a 1917 Russian style revolution the way half of them go on. Whilst I do think there will be some form of gain for the party at both the European and general elections I do think the fact that will come back to haunt Ukip is that they have no real stronghold. Generally speaking, Labour has the urban areas, the Tories the rural ones, and the Lib Dems parts of the West Country and a few other select areas. PC and SNP have similar in their respective countries. Ukip don't really have anywhere. In some respects, regarding the elections they are a jack of all trades and a master of none.

I think most on here all want the best for everyone, we just have have different ideas about how best to do it.

I saved this to last because I want to say I believe this is the truest thing ever said about politics.

 

[Buttsy]

I can answer that with one simple point - I am first and foremost politically a libertarian. Whilst I fall on the right of that philosophy that doesn't really make a difference (to me at least) - to quote Orwell:

'The real division is not between conservatives and revolutionaries but between authoritarians and libertarians'.

I will never vote for any party that is authoritarian (which is why I said what I said about the Tories, BNP and indeed any other mainstream party). I'm still undecided on Ukip - they are for sure the closest thing there is to a mainstream libertarian party in the UK but I'm not 100% convinced yet. All truth be told, I would probably agree more with a left libertarian (though after all this time I'm still not sure how that philosophy quite works!) than I would with a right wing authoritarian.

My old Economics teacher told us to look at the poltical views as a box rather than a line. At the extremes, in the top right corner you would have Libertarianism and bottom right Fascism, bottom left Communism and top left Anarchy, which the demonstrated that Hilter and Stalin weren't as far apart as everyone would normally think.

Mrs Thatcher moved UK politics away from the centre ground that McMillan, Wilson, Heath, Callaghan et al had occupied much more towards a Libertarian (if there is a demand, supply it) and Fascistic (law and order, rebellion cannot be allowed) view. Since that time, there has been no party that has pulled the political landscape significantly back towards the centre ground that had seemed to serve UK politics pretty well since Victorian times.

In answer to your question, left sided Libertarianism would be more in line with Anarchy.

 

[Oswyntail]

My old Economics teacher told us to look at the poltical views as a box rather than a line. At the extremes, in the top right corner you would have Libertarianism and bottom right Fascism, bottom left Communism and top left Anarchy, which the demonstrated that Hilter and Stalin weren't as far apart as everyone would normally think.

Mrs Thatcher moved UK politics away from the centre ground that McMillan, Wilson, Heath, Callaghan et al had occupied much more towards a Libertarian (if there is a demand, supply it) and Fascistic (law and order, rebellion cannot be allowed) view. Since that time, there has been no party that has pulled the political landscape significantly back towards the centre ground that had seemed to serve UK politics pretty well since Victorian times.

In answer to your question, left sided Libertarianism would be more in line with Anarchy.

The trouble is that the four corners are not really as opposed as in a box. To me, the antithesis of Libertarianism is Totalitarianism - and both Fascism and (practical) Communism are Totalitarian systems. And there was a difference between the "centre ground" of the 50s/early 60s, which was generally based on consensus, and that of the late 60s/70s, when there had been a drift towards less control, both by state and in private. IMHO, it is a myth that Thatcher took the country that far to the right. There was an attempt to re-establish some controls, but balanced with a free market approach. I would suggest the country is currently back on the 50s/60s centre ground in terms of governance, but economically suffering from Brown's 13-year long brain fart.

 

[fowler9]

The trouble is that the four corners are not really as opposed as in a box. To me, the antithesis of Libertarianism is Totalitarianism - and both Fascism and (practical) Communism are Totalitarian systems. And there was a difference between the "centre ground" of the 50s/early 60s, which was generally based on consensus, and that of the late 60s/70s, when there had been a drift towards less control, both by state and in private. IMHO, it is a myth that Thatcher took the country that far to the right. There was an attempt to re-establish some controls, but balanced with a free market approach. I would suggest the country is currently back on the 50s/60s centre ground in terms of governance, but economically suffering from Brown's 13-year long brain fart.

Thatcher was a Libertarian. There was no balance of controls with a free market approach. It was free market all the way.

 

[Buttsy]

The trouble is that the four corners are not really as opposed as in a box. To me, the antithesis of Libertarianism is Totalitarianism - and both Fascism and (practical) Communism are Totalitarian systems. And there was a difference between the "centre ground" of the 50s/early 60s, which was generally based on consensus, and that of the late 60s/70s, when there had been a drift towards less control, both by state and in private. IMHO, it is a myth that Thatcher took the country that far to the right. There was an attempt to re-establish some controls, but balanced with a free market approach. I would suggest the country is currently back on the 50s/60s centre ground in terms of governance, but economically suffering from Brown's 13-year long brain fart.

I would contend that it is more than just Gordon Brown that has caused the current economic issues. I would argue that if you own something that gives you a positive income stream, then selling that thing off and not investing a reasonable proportion of that for future times is not sound long-term economics. Thatcher did it with the utilities and Callaghan did it with North Sea Oil, both used the funds for short term political gain rather than long term investment. Once you've sold it and spent the money, that's it, so you end up borrowing when you need more cash.

The CEGB & British Gas were making a profit in the 80s, that profit went into government coffers and so there was less requirement to raise funds through taxes (direct and indirect). Now, due to accountants, I expect the government is not getting the same level of income through corporation tax on the energy companies in relative terms than it did when they were owned by the government.

In the 70s, Tony Benn recommended that the money earnt from North Sea Oil be invested for future times and had this been done, the UK wouldn't be in the debt it is. For an example of what could have happened, take a look at the Shetlands, who did do this.

The problem with politicians is they never look past the next election, though I would say that that is beginning to change, albeit very slowly.

 

[Oswyntail]

Thatcher was a Libertarian. There was no balance of controls with a free market approach. It was free market all the way.

I meant more social controls, such as those on Trades Unions (sh...that comment is going to start a flame war)

I would contend that it is more than just Gordon Brown that has caused the current economic issues. ....

While I agree with much of your post, if one starts going right back into economic history, where does one stop? (I would suggest at the invention of Income Tax in the Napoleonic era ). But even after the bad decisions taken earlier, Brown did fritter away the benefits of a booming economy, while making the UK more vulnerable to a worldwide recession with his removal of effective regulation from his friends in the city. In many ways he was the most Libertarian Chancellor the UK has ever had, while pretending not to be.

 

[fowler9]

I meant more social controls, such as those on Trades Unions (sh...that comment is going to start a flame war)

While I agree with much of your post, if one starts going right back into economic history, where does one stop? (I would suggest at the invention of Income Tax in the Napoleonic era ). But even after the bad decisions taken earlier, Brown did fritter away the benefits of a booming economy, while making the UK more vulnerable to a worldwide recession with his removal of effective regulation from his friends in the city. In many ways he was the most Libertarian Chancellor the UK has ever had, while pretending not to be.

Without wanting to make an unsavoury comment about Pandora you may well have opened her box there. Ha ha. At the end of the day I personally think that a lot of the mess our country is in now is caused by the fact both Labour and Conservative have nothing between them.

 

[Chapeltom]

UKIP - 79 - economic and environmental
Conservatives - 78 - economic, environmental, education, transportation, immigration
Lib Dems - 77 - social, healthcare, transportation
SNP - 57 - social
Labour - 54 - foreign policy and social
Green - 51 - domestic, health, social
BNP - 25
Plaid - 19

Roughly where I want to be, I'm quite Libertarian economically and socially.

 

[43074]

93% Labour
91% Liberal Democrats
84% SNP
83% Green
73% Plaid Cymru
69% UKIP
66% Conservatives
60% BNP

That's about right, I would say: I am quite liberal. The UKIP and BNP scores are a bit on the high side though.

 

[Beveridges]

Top of the list on the results for me was BNP 86%