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Most regularly disrupted section of line (since privatisation, between two stations)?

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Simple question - which section of line (defined as between two particular stations, to avoid argument) has had the most closures/ disruption since the railways were privatised?

Either in terms of individual closures (e.g. there's regular flooding at Rotherham Central because of the way the railway runs by the river/canal but it's generally only short periods of time) or closures over long periods of time (e.g. I think the line through Hatfield was only closed once, but for a long time).
 
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Simple question - which section of line (defined as between two particular stations, to avoid argument) has had the most closures/ disruption since the railways were privatised?

Either in terms of individual closures (e.g. there's regular flooding at Rotherham Central because of the way the railway runs by the river/canal but it's generally only short periods of time) or closures over long periods of time (e.g. I think the line through Hatfield was only closed once, but for a long time).

Dawlish is closed three days out of 7 definitely needs a new route. (ooo Matron)


In all seriousness i would say actually the most i have noticed in terms of weather events and infrastructure resilience would be the ECML Between York and Newcastle, that is regularly closed due to flooding. Or Leeds NW to Ilkley.
 

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From the news etc, it would seem to me to be the OLE towards the southern end of the ECML. This is in terms of frequency, rather than length of occurence.
 

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Wimbledon is a real black spot for fatalities. Unfortunately there's very little alternative when there's a total shutdown; only so many trains can be diverted between Clapham Junction and Woking via Barnes-Hounslow-Staines-Chertsey due to the existing rail traffic and the sheer number of level crossings along that route.
 
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The Thameslink core from Farringdon to Blackfriars must be one of the most regularly disrupted sections.
Since it reopened in 1988 it has been closed for upgrades countless times for months at a time at weekends.
I think the Manchester Airport line is also a poor performer at weekends.
It regularly seems to deteriorate into buses, which is not what you want for a 24*7 airport operation.

Luckily the WCML has finished its decade-long weekend holiday, it's just bank holidays now...
Stockport used to be particularly badly affected, with all the messing about with resignalling.
GW and MML users have some fun times coming up with their electrification.
 

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The Conwy Valley line seems to get washed out at Llanwrst every time there's a cloud in the sky... :roll:
 

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Given that the question of this thread has probably came out of the problems at Dawlish, it leads to the next question which is; what diversion options exist for these routes?

For instance at Wimbledon although there is the option for (limited) diversions there's work in progress to provide more capacity and an alternative route in the form of Crossrail 2.
 

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East Croydon-Gatwick Airport is surely a contender for having a high volume of delays and blocks of single/multiple lines taken - delays themselves simply stack up due to the sheer number of trains in the area, other than during the very early hours of some mornings. And I'm not just saying that because I know those lines well. The actual frequency of incidents requiring remedial work just seems as though it is quite high on the scale of these things.

Things are improving - Stoats Nest Jn is much more reliable after teething troubles were sorted after renewals, fatalities have reduced somewhat due to station fences (being discussed elsewhere), and hopefully landslip risks will significantly reduce as and when the weather improves; also, station staff are becoming increasingly resilient & experienced when something does go wrong. But there are still many occurrences of congestion & knock-on delays from elsewhere - including the Southern MML; routes via Tonbridge, Watford Jn & Southampton; you name it! So the last few years have really shown the scope of problems spiralling out of control.

With diversion routes remaining questionable/met by scepticism (BML2) or simply lengthy & rarely-used (Dorking), I cannot see any solution other than to continue with incremental improvements - some of which I can foresee coming if the new TSGN franchise can deliver better recovery strategies in London, some extra track/platforms on the routes (Redhill, London Bridge), and possibly better timetabling at junctions, all of which should help.

This is not to mention the disruption which can be caused by engineering works on either line between Purley & Earlswood for the purposes of renewals and improvements. Hopefully much can continue to be learnt from the likes of the Gatwick/Stoats Nest Jn Christmas Blockades.

Also on the Southern network, the line between Barnham & Bognor/Southampton/Portsmouth always appears to have extremely frequent requirements for trains to start/terminate short, owing to congestion in various places. Because the Southampton & Portsmouth routes are shared in part by SWT, the situation is improving, as the SWT/NR Alliance seems to benefit Southern with its incident response times. However, many alterations still seem to have to occur, with turnbacks at Barnham, Chichester and Fareham (et al) being required on numerous occasions.
 
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Both the southern ends of the ECML and MML seem to have quite a few OHLE problems, and when they do go wrong, they go massively wrong.
 

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From a passenger perspective, Virginia Water - Weybridge and Ascot - Guildford, as SWT shut down both lines whenever the weather permits them to do it.
 
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Tunbridge Wells - Hastings, usually down to stations like Wadhurst. Of course Wadhurst & Stonegate have been dreadful in recent months because of the weather but the line is usually crap.
 

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A lot of fatalities seem to occur on the SWML.

There are always issues with the infrastructure on the GEML.
 

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Definitely ECML. I don't travel on it that frequently these days but when I do, more often than not I get some delay repay vouchers through in the post a few weeks after :lol:
 

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I would have to say anywhere on the ECML between Kings Cross and York, constant OHLE problems and signalling problems.

Also the WCML between Euston and Milton Keynes isn't much better either.

On both lines when delays occur, services are always running at least in excess of two hours late.
 

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The Thameslink core from Farringdon to Blackfriars must be one of the most regularly disrupted sections.
Since it reopened in 1988 it has been closed for upgrades countless times for months at a time at weekends.....

Extend it to cover Kentish Town and I'd say it's probably quite high on the list, with even small things like cement being thrown down the air vents causing closures and delays, not to mention flooding, signal problems and loss of power!, and who could forget the nine month blockade.
 

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Luckily the WCML has finished its decade-long weekend holiday, it's just bank holidays now...

Unless you live in Northampton, in which case it's still disrupted virtually every weekend.

In fact I'd give the Northampton loop the title of Britain's most disrupted line!
 

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MK Tom, you may well be right!!! I think the only reason it's disrupted at the moment is due to the isolations they've been having for the new station build. However, according to my WON's, they've been doing some other bits and pieces in between Hanslope and Hilmorton while they have aforementioned isolations. For example rail grinding and embankment clearing. However, last saturday, it was pans down at NMP from 2005, with buses replacing right through til midnightish sunday. That's obscene. On a Saturday night, trains both in and out of that station can be horrendously busy. The 2334 ex-Euston frequently comes out formed of 8+ carriages, and it's still often packed at NMP, and they take possession from 8pm...... Stoopid.
 
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