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Greetings. At the end of April, I will be walking the first half of the Camino de Santiago in Spain, beginning from just over the French border at St. Jean Pied de Port.

I will be flying from the US into Paris, arriving on the 30th of April at CDG at 1255. I need advice on getting from there to Bayonne, where I will spend the night. I will proceed the next day to St. Jean Pied de Port (no advice needed for this portion.)

I have looked at a couple of options and would like to have someone with experience in traveling by train in France to let me know what would be the best thing to do (in their opinion). This will be a one-way ride, no return. I will not be flying back home from Paris.

My first option is to stay at at the airport and catch train number 5222 at 1621 which will arrive at Bordeaux at 2037. At Bordeaux I would transfer to train number 8543, which leaves Bordeaux at 2051 and arrives at Bayonne at 2232. The ticket cost is 98.30 Euro for Loisir and 127.00 Euro for TGV Pro 2NDE.

My second option would be to take the RER and the Paris Metro to Gare Montparnasse (I was in Paris last year and was successful in using both systems) and catch train number 8543 (this is the same train that I would transfer to in Bordeaux in the first option), leaving Paris at 1728 and arriving in Bayonne at 2232. The ticket cost is 109.00 Euro Loisir and 117.00 Euro TGV Pro 2NDE.

My questions:

a. Is it worth taking the later train from Gare Montparnasse (second option) to avoid the tight connection in Bordeaux (14 minutes) for the train from CDG (first option)? I know the rail system in France is one of the best in the world, but delays do happen. Either way, I would arrive in Bayonne at the same time. The small differences in ticket cost is not a factor in the decision.

b. When purchasing the ticket on line, should I select "France" as my country and then could I collect the ticket at the station? What other options are there? If I just purchased the ticket at the station on the day I arrived, would the ticket cost be appreciably higher? Is there a danger of the trains being "Sold Out"?

c. If for some reason my flight was badly delayed and I missed whichever option I have chosen, could I get the ticket changed for the night train (Train number 5248 leaving CDG at 1859 arriving Les Aubrais at 2059. Train number 4053 (Intercities Night Train) leaving Les Aubrais at 2253 arriving the next morning at Bayonne at 834.)

d. Is there anything else I need to know?

Thank you for your consideration.
 
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Thanks. That site has a lot of good information.

I took his advice and looked at the DB site and found that there is another train out of the Airport at 1407 which arrives at Bayonne nearly a couple of hours before my other options in the OP. Maybe another idea is to book the 1621 out of the airport and if the stars, planets, airlines and immigration align perfectly, I can reach the station in time to catch the 1407 and get my ticket changed. It has a 9 minute connection in Bordeaux, which is even tighter, but it arrives early enough to have other options to reach Bayonne.
 
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Plein Tarif Loisir and Pro 2nde fares are "full fares" available on the day of travel, as long as there are seats left (it is highly unlikely that trains will be sold out).

Delays of a few minutes are fairly common for TGV services. Very occasionally there are much longer delays. I think it is unlikely (but possible) that you would miss the connection at Bordeaux.

It shouldn't be a problem to select "France" and collect tickets at the station or have them sent to a French address - I've done this before.
 

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30th April being the day before the May Day holiday (and long weekend) the trains will be busy (hence no cheap fares!) which might be a factor.

I think booking the later train and seeing on the spot if you could change to the earlier makes very good sense.
 

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I always use the original French version of the Voyages-SNCF.com (it gives better seats on reservations than the international versions).

30 April will be a busy day so you must book in advance. It's a 6 hour journey, so I recommend the 1st class upgrade fare if you get offered it. As of this moment it is still available at Euro115 but you will have to be quick!

I usually choose 'collect' which means you can pick it up from the long distance ticket machines. You might also get offered 'print at home' (e-ticket). I think this may be dependant on location so you might not get the option

You are coming across the Atlantic, so I recommend booking the later train to mitigate any delays. I doubt you will get a transfer to the earlier train as by the time the day comes it may well be fully booked.


ps I see you have been 'got' by the hype about French railways being "the best in world" - plenty of people would not be so sure…and delays do (very often) occur!
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Thanks. I did it. I got an e-ticket for the 1621 out of the Charles De Gaulle airport. Took your advice and took advantage of the great deal on first class. Got my seats, forward facing single seats.

It will feel kind of funny being a backpacking pilgrim in first class. Hope the other folks in the coach don't mind. At least I'll smell a lot better then than I will after walking the camino for 3 weeks. HAHA

Again, thanks to everyone who responded. The folks on this site are the best.
 

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It will feel kind of funny being a backpacking pilgrim in first class. Hope the other folks in the coach don't mind.

The 1st class upgrade deals are great but to some extent are a double-edged sword. It gets you into first class but so it does potentially everyone else, so in fact it is not the people that is the benefit of the upgrade but the extra roominess and width of seats etc, especially as sods law you will probably still get the screaming baby near you as usually happens to me.
 

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Just one last question. If I miss my connection in Bordeaux, it is the last train to Bayonne that evening. Do you think they will throw me out of the station if I bed down on a bench and wait for the first train the next morning?
 

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No experience, but I would expect SNCF to take responsibility for getting you to Bayonne - I'd be surprised if you were the only passenger making the connection.
 

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Such a connection would normally be held, as it is official, and the last chance of the day to boot.

Bayonne and other stations along that line are likley to be popular destinations on the day before a holiday, so unless something goes very badly awry the connx should be held.
 

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Thanks. I have a reservation at a hotel across the street from the station in Bayonne.

I'm very excited to be taking this journey. I love trains.
 
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