Sherlock

[VauxhallandI]

Big continuity errors with the tube theme tonight!

They don't know their Jubilee from their District never mind it taking "5 mins between Westminster and St James' Park

 

[BrownE]

Big continuity errors with the tube theme tonight!

They don't know their Jubilee from their District never mind it taking "5 mins between Westminster and St James' Park

They've clearly just looked at the TfL time between Westminster and the actual park, that lists the duration as 5 minutes (a 1 minute journey and a 4 minute walk). If you enter/select the station St. James's Park, then the JP will correctly state 1 minute.

Can't comment on the rest, cos I haven't watched it.

 

[Manchester77]

They've used Charring Cross jubilee to represent St James' Park and Westminster as well as use a 1996 stock to represent the stock on that section (should be C, D and S Stock)

They then go into Westminster ticket hall and as they enter through the barriers end up in Charring Cross again where they enter a ventilation tunnel which brings them out in Aldwych where they find a 1972 mark I stock which suddenly becomes a D stock.

 

[VauxhallandI]

They've used Charring Cross jubilee to represent St James' Park and Westminster as well as use a 1996 stock to represent the stock on that section (should be C, D and S Stock)

They then go into Westminster ticket hall and as they enter through the barriers end up in Charring Cross again where they enter a ventilation tunnel which brings them out in Aldwych where they find a 1972 mark I stock which suddenly becomes a D stock.

That's it in a nutshell

 

[Butts]

Forget the "anorak" observations, the programme was excellent

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Forget the "anorak" observations, the programme was excellent

This. I was watching it (and enjoying it) while thinking about the righteous indignation that was going to be spouted on here afterwards.

 

[IanD]

I was looking forward to Sherlock's return but the ridiculousness of the 'bomb' element just ruined it for me. I don't normally care about wrong stock and such like (although I do like to point them out to annoy the family ) but that part was just too nonsensical for me.

 

[gordonthemoron]

having never watched it before, I got pretty confused. Cumberbatch & Gattiss were good but I kept wondering why Bilbo Baggins was playing Dr Watson

 

[ClevedonYellow]

They've used Charring Cross jubilee to represent St James' Park and Westminster as well as use a 1996 stock to represent the stock on that section (should be C, D and S Stock)

They then go into Westminster ticket hall and as they enter through the barriers end up in Charring Cross again where they enter a ventilation tunnel which brings them out in Aldwych where they find a 1972 mark I stock which suddenly becomes a D stock.

Oh and it wouldn't take a week for LUL to notice that a car was missing from one of their trains!

 

[tbtc]

I know you shouldn't read "below the line", but there was a nice comment to the Guardian's review of Sherlock:

I can just about imagine the authorities not knowing there was a disused Tube station under Parliament, but a railway enthusiast?

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2014/jan/02/sherlock-tv-reviews

 

[MK Tom]

Did anyone else notice yesterday how all the 'District Line' exteriors were deep tube stock, but the interiors were D-stock? Obviously that'll go over most people's heads, but it made me wonder if Londoners who use the tube regularly will notice the massive size difference between the tiny tube trains and the much bigger sub-surface stock.

The exteriors were filmed in the Aldwych tunnels so used 1973 stock, the CCTV footage was from either the Northern or Jubillee lines and the interiors were shot on D-stock, with the filmmakers even going to the effort of digitally putting the Aldwych tunnels through the windows at the ends.

Also the whole thing of detaching the last carriage en route - would that even be possible? I think you'd end up with 6/7 of a unit, which the depot would probably notice!

 

[bronzeonion]

The 73ts is actually a 72ts unit, sorry couldn't resist

 

[MK Tom]

It's perfectly acceptable I agree. The only issue for me was the obvious size difference between the interior and exterior shots, and some casual viewers would probably find the idea that the depot wouldn't notice the missing carriage a bit hard to believe.

I loved the episode by and large. Freeman's emotional reactions especially.

 

[kwrail]

Thoroughly enjoyed Sherlock last night, but the lack of continuity on the underground shots was a bit disappointing. The close circuit footage purporting to be St James's Park and Westminster was clearly in a tube rather than cut and cover. Later, Holmes and Watson visit a deserted station (clearly Aldwych), walk along the track and then enter the end door for a tube train. Then find themselves in District Line stock.

As for the plotline of disconnecting a carriage between St James's Park and Westminster - it would have had to have been one of the driving cars.

But for 90 minutes of escapism it was great fun.

 

[Mojo]

Despite the scoffing here and elsewhere about this thread, it actually appears that a large number of people (from outside the railway community) noticed the inaccuracies in this programme, and it was even picked up on by the mainstream media: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lling-different-stations-different-lines.html

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At the start of the 90-minute show, viewers saw Martin Freeman as Dr Watson on the Tube, where he appeared to travel along three lines without switching trains.

In another segment in which Holmes and Watson are investigating a train journey made by a suspect, Sherlock concludes that the 'five-minute' journey between Westminster and St James's Park must have lasted ten minutes. In reality the one-stop journey takes less than two minutes

As the pair enter Westminster station, which is served by the District, Circle and Jubilee lines, they are inexplicably shown walking past a sign for the Northern line.

Viewers also pointed out that the carriage, which was shown carrying just one passenger, would have been full of people travelling home because it was the last train of the evening.

One fan, Wayne Moraghan, wrote: 'Might have enjoyed Sherlock more if there weren't so many inaccurate facts about the Tube, wrong lines, wrong stations, wrong times!' Lucy Burton added: 'More confused by Sherlock's appalling knowledge of the Tube than how he fell.'

Plus also see this: http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/the-london-underground-lines-in-sherlock-are-all-wrong

 

[DJL]

I think all they really had to do was change the name of the station "St James' Park" in the program to "Green Park", swap any district line footage for tube footage and straight away a lot of the problems go away.

The general public would have been less likely to notice the switch between Jubilee and Picadilly trains, or even that the inside the train bit was on A/C/D stock

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

I Only just got to watch this programme this afternoon having taped it when it was on a few days ago.

I Thought there may be some comments here regarding the wrong type of tube / Underground stock in the wrong locations and confusion regarding the stations etc etc.

It was a good programme in spite of these bloopers, I guess LUL get a payment for filming on their premises and Aldwich Station.

See what they do in the next episode.

(Talking of disused stations on the LUL, what remains of the Jubilee line station at Charing Cross by the way, it was not really in use for a very long time was it? I think there was a possibility of extending that line eastwards north of the river, sort of underneath the Strand going towards the City and ironically going near or making a station at Aldwich, I think it was going to be called the Fleet Line), but then the JLE happened instead.

 

[tbtc]

And... the point is that despite comments made here and elsewhere about this thread, it is not just members of this forum, or even just railway enthusiasts, that picked up on errors within this programme. I have seen a number of comments from people who have noted the errors; many saying it detracted from the programme or caused confusion.

Given there are numerous websites and even television series about mistakes in movies and television programmes, then its obvious that some people do care.

The thing that surprised me is just how quick some people were to jump on the Underground "errors" - I've seen plenty of programmes/ films where the public transport has been questionable at best (often buses, since something filmed in one city but "set" in a different city will often have the wrong buses in the background).

The mainstream press had articles on Sherlock's inconsistencies, but I don't recall articles about how the "Great" Train Robbery didn't actually take place on the Keighley & Worth Valley Railway (where the recent BBC1 shows were filmed) or how James Bond was in the old Charing Cross (when he was supposed to be in Temple). Nor articles about the two different EMUs in the Match.com advert filmed in Sutton or dozens of "stock photos" that don't relate to the subject of an article.

I suppose that part of it was because a section of the Sherlock fanbase were disappointed by the Empty Hearse and the Aldgate bit was one easy thing to pick on (rather than trying to explain why you were underwhelmed at the way that it spent so long dealing with the "How did he fake his death" stuff that it was a bit of a lopsided episode).

Nice to see the press focussing on public transport (and not just strikes/ delays/ fare increases etc).

 

[meridian2]

And... the point is that despite comments made here and elsewhere about this thread, it is not just members of this forum, or even just railway enthusiasts, that picked up on errors within this programme. I have seen a number of comments from people who have noted the errors; many saying it detracted from the programme or caused confusion.

Given there are numerous websites and even television series about mistakes in movies and television programmes, then its obvious that some people do care.

I'm not denying that people care, but they are seriously naive if they think that their comments are of any consequence to the program makers.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

The TV programme that you refer to is mainly concerned with continuity errors. So at a stretch they would be interested in the deep level stock/sub surface stock change, but they're not going to be interested in some of the rubbish posted on here about the locomotive used in the GTR series having the wrong number, or the signal being on the ground when it should have been on a post.

 

[Bungle73]

I Only just got to watch this programme this afternoon having taped it when it was on a few days ago.

I Thought there may be some comments here regarding the wrong type of tube / Underground stock in the wrong locations and confusion regarding the stations etc etc.

It was a good programme in spite of these bloopers, I guess LUL get a payment for filming on their premises and Aldwich Station.

See what they do in the next episode.

(Talking of disused stations on the LUL, what remains of the Jubilee line station at Charing Cross by the way, it was not really in use for a very long time was it? I think there was a possibility of extending that line eastwards north of the river, sort of underneath the Strand going towards the City and ironically going near or making a station at Aldwich, I think it was going to be called the Fleet Line), but then the JLE happened instead.

It's not a whole station, it's just a couple of platforms and some corridors. The rest of the station is still very much in use by other lines. Judging by what we saw in the previous episode and in Skyfall it all looks pretty much the same.

Depends what you mean by "not really in use for a very long time"? The Jubilee line opened in 1979; the extension opened in 1999. That's 20 years.

Also the Fleet line was its original name, before they decided to change its name to Jubilee.

The extension you mentioned was part of the original plans for a letter date for the line when it was being built.

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

It's not a whole station, it's just a couple of platforms and some corridors. The rest of the station is still very much in use by other lines. Judging by what we saw in the previous episode and in Skyfall it all looks pretty much the same.

Depends what you mean by "not really in use for a very long time"? The Jubilee line opened in 1979; the extension opened in 1999. That's 20 years.

Also the Fleet line was its original name, before they decided to change its name to Jubilee.

The extension you mentioned was part of the original plans for a letter date for the line when it was being built.

Ok, Thanks for clarying re Charing Cross, I must admit I did niot reaise that it was open for 20 years, longer than I thought.

While on this thread, it will be interesting to see what, if any, bloopers are made on the new 2 part drama starting on BBC1 this week regarding a love affair between two passsenger on a comuter route. I am sure any eagle eyed rail enthusiasts will spot them.

 

[Starmill]

I watched it with normals and they noticed something was amiss re the Underground!

I was under the impression that a good proportion of Londoners can at least make the 'square train vs round train' distinction?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Being the age that I am (68) and having seen both Basil Rathbone and Jeremy Brett play the character of Sherlock Holmes that gave a certain impression of age coupled to experience, I cannot come to terms with any portrayal of the character by one of more youthful years.

That being said, as one who remembers the portrayal of Peter Cushing as one involved with vampire eradication as van Helsing, again with the dignity of age and experience portrayed, how did you think that I felt when "Buffy, the vampire slayer" was first broadcast. Nubile bimbos are not what one would expect, but there again, this was an American series.

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

I watched it with normals and they noticed something was amiss re the Underground!

I was under the impression that a good proportion of Londoners can at least make the 'square train vs round train' distinction?

I Like your paragraph describing, what I presume are not rail enthusiasts as "Normals"., I thought we were the "Normals" and they were the, shall we say, eccentric /non-normals.

 

[melena]

Have to remember that it is a series about a fictitious detective. So presumably it is also set in a fictitious (modern) version of London. So does it really matter if they use wrong trains/times/locations or even loose a carriage?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Have to remember that it is a series about a fictitious detective. So presumably it is also set in a fictitious (modern) version of London. So does it really matter if they use wrong trains/times/locations or even loose a carriage?

Why was it felt there was a need to utilise a modern version of the Sherlock Holmes series, which in the original story-lines, reflected life in London at a time where all other related scenarios gave a feeling of life at that period of time.

Any writer worth his/her salt could produce a series from their own creative writing ability that would not be a plagiarism of the works of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, without making reference to the name "Sherlock"

I am surprised to find the transport-related items, these being only ancillary to a storyline, being given more prominence than the actual storyline.

 

[Oswyntail]

.....Any writer worth his/her salt could produce a series from their own creative writing ability that would not be a plagiarism of the works of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, without making reference to the name "Sherlock"......

Because half the fun comes from the riffle-shuffle of the two, from taking the basics of the original and giving them a modern flavour. It is not "plagiarism", which implies an attempt at deception, but rather what the Romans called "variatio", taking an original version and playing with it. And, by golly, it works well.

 

[D6975]

I Like your paragraph describing, what I presume are not rail enthusiasts as "Normals"., I thought we were the "Normals" and they were the, shall we say, eccentric /non-normals.

In the haulage bashing community, ordinary passengers are 'Normals'.
Young train spotters are 'Insects'
Haulage bashers are 'Cranks'

 

[Greenback]

Despite thoroughly enjoying the first two seasons of Sherlock I loathed The Empty Hearse, mainly because the bomb plot was just too ludicrous tot ake seriously. The errors with stock and stations were noticeable but not the real problem with the episode.

Similarly, I have noticed errors in many other TV shows, but these can be glossed over if the writing is good, the story believeable and the characters interesting. This was not the case in Sherlock where the story was completely unbelievable!

Having now seen the second episode, that was a bit better, but still not up to the quality of previous years in my view. The main point, though, is that there were no trains that could be used as scapegoats for the poor plotting.