158 local door

[387star]

If when arriving at a station a guard inadvertently pressed the release buttons before opening the local door would all doors be released or is this only possible with the local door button activated?

 

[GadgetMan]

If when arriving at a station a guard inadvertently pressed the release buttons before opening the local door would all doors be released or is this only possible with the local door button activated?

The doors can be released from an active control panel regardless of whether or not the local door is activated. (Haven't worked one in a few years so they may have been modified by certain TOCs)

 

[387star]

Also does the buzzer only work if door interlock is made?

 

[GadgetMan]

Also does the buzzer only work if door interlock is made?

From a Guards panel you have to have interlock. I believe the Driver can Buzz without interlock being present.

 

[scotraildriver]

No need to open the local door. I often pop the doors after a split but don't touch the local door as I know the train is where I left it so no need to check its on the platform. And yes the guard can only buzz when interlock is made, that is the only way he knows he has interlock on the coach he is in, as he can't see the DOL light after he shuts his door, obviously.

 

[Matt Taylor]

Same on Desiros, a full door release is possible before the local door is open.

 

[BestWestern]

What's a DOL light!? I presume the same as the Hazard Lights which have been there since they were built!

Equally it is possible for an overly enthusiastic Guard to hit the Local button too early and bring the train to a grinding halt! Not a popular move...

 

[scotraildriver]

Yes we have a few guards to like to stop the train! And yes a hazard light.

 

[Rich McLean]

On a 150/1, the crew door isn't interlocked, so you can open it just before the train comes to a stop before opening the doors, and once the passenger doors are shut, you can give two on the buzzer just before you get back on, and close the crew door while the train is pulling away. It's different on a 150/2, as the crew doors are interlocked as they are used by passengers when units are coupled.

 

[noddingdonkey]

And yes the guard can only buzz when interlock is made

To be hoped that there is no need to use any of the other bell codes while the door is open. Are 5 for Guard/Driver leaving the train or 9 for police assistance required actually used in practice?

 

[ECML180]

To be hoped that there is no need to use any of the other bell codes while the door is open. Are 5 for Guard/Driver leaving the train or 9 for police assistance required actually used in practice?

Sorry to go off topic-could you perhaps link me to a full list of these?

 

[TheEdge]

To be hoped that there is no need to use any of the other bell codes while the door is open. Are 5 for Guard/Driver leaving the train or 9 for police assistance required actually used in practice?

I doubt 5 would ever be needed on a train with interlock, in theory on a train without interlock (like a Mk3 set) it would have its uses but (at least my TOC) requires the guard to pull the emergency brake before leaving the train not at a booked location.

9 I imagine is absolutely obsolete when everyone normally has a mobile on them.

A full list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_code

 

[ECML180]

Thanks! 9 might be used discretely I guess.

 

[cjmillsnun]

considering the beeps can be heard in most units nowadays it wouldn't be that discrete.

 

[34D]

On a 150/1, the crew door isn't interlocked, so you can open it just before the train comes to a stop before opening the doors, and once the passenger doors are shut, you can give two on the buzzer just before you get back on, and close the crew door while the train is pulling away. It's different on a 150/2, as the crew doors are interlocked as they are used by passengers when units are coupled.

This would be against the policies of at least one TOC

 

[TOCDriver]

This would be against the policies of at least one TOC

Most certainly it is with my very safety conscious employer

 

[IanXC]

considering the beeps can be heard in most units nowadays it wouldn't be that discrete.

If it wern't so many beeps most passengers wouldn't have a clue it was anything out of the ordinary.

 

[Starmill]

If it wern't so many beeps most passengers wouldn't have a clue it was anything out of the ordinary.

You have to wonder how many non-staff members would have a clue what it was.

 

[Rich McLean]

Most certainly it is with my very safety conscious employer

I have witnessed someone do it on a branchline, naming no names or the TOC though. I suppose one day a manager will be out and about in plain clothes, and he will get caught doing it.

 

[cjmillsnun]

On a 150/1, the crew door isn't interlocked, so you can open it just before the train comes to a stop before opening the doors, and once the passenger doors are shut, you can give two on the buzzer just before you get back on, and close the crew door while the train is pulling away. It's different on a 150/2, as the crew doors are interlocked as they are used by passengers when units are coupled.

This would be against the policies of at least one TOC

Most certainly it is with my very safety conscious employer

And yet in the days of the slammers (less than 10 years ago, it was common for the guard to have his door open (it hinged inwards for this very reason) as the train pulled away.

 

[455driver]

And yet in the days of the slammers (less than 10 years ago, it was common for the guard to have his door open (it hinged inwards for this very reason) as the train pulled away.

Back in slammer days if the guard closed his local door before the whole train had left the platform he would be in trouble, the complete opposite to today.

 

[ECML180]

considering the beeps can be heard in most units nowadays it wouldn't be that discrete.

But very few people would understand it, compared to getting a phone out poking a number key 3 times putting it to your ear and saying "Hello? Yes, police please!"

 

[bunnahabhain]

Equally it is possible for an overly enthusiastic Guard to hit the Local button too early and bring the train to a grinding halt! Not a popular move...

Not on a 158, the local door switch activates the controls for the local door, but it doesn't open them.

 

[455driver]

I think he meant actually operating the local door switch which would open the local door, break the interlock and stop a train rather quickly.

 

[bunnahabhain]

I think he meant actually operating the local door switch which would open the local door, break the interlock and stop a train rather quickly.

Which it doesn't do on a 158, because it doesn't open the doors.

 

[455driver]

Okay operate the switch and hit the open button!

Is that better! :roll:

 

[bunnahabhain]

Okay operate the switch and hit the open button!

Is that better! :roll:

If by better you mean correct, yes. :roll:

 

[noddingdonkey]

I think there's a terminology mix-up here - doesn't the 158 door control panel have a DKS operated by carriage key and then the local door is opened and closed using a rocker switch?

 

[TheEdge]

I think there's a terminology mix-up here - doesn't the 158 door control panel have a DKS operated by carriage key and then the local door is opened and closed using a rocker switch?

Not quite. Turn the DKS on, hit the rocker switch which arms but doesn't open the local door, open the local door using the now armed passenger door controls, open doors, close doors, hit rocker switch which now does close the door. Away you go.

 

[noddingdonkey]

Ahh thanks for that clarification. Am I right in thinking that that is a fairly uncommon arrangement? With the other Sprinter classes where you can see the Guard operate the doors (153/5/6) the local door switch seems to open the door from what I can remember.