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Police at Worcester Yesterday

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I was on the 1822 Paddington to Hereford yesterday. I left the train at Worcester Foregate Street. Despite the train being a little late as I walked down the stairs several police officers ran up the stairs. Several more were positioned at the bottom of the stairs including a police (spaniel type) dog. The dog was being instructed to sniff the passengers.

Any ideas? Quite unusual for Worcester I think.

Best wishes, Stephen.
 
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Could of been a routine exercise or a tip off. Were the police West Mercia or BTP officers?
 

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Probably a drugs check; if it was the other main use of dogs like this - explosives - they'd have sealed the place off and checked everyone.
 
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British Transport Police I think.

Possibly a routine exercise. They did run up the stairs at speed pushing past me. They were sniffing all passengers and had pulled a chap to one side. With only half a dozen or so people off the train a very dull routine exercise. Worcester Foregate Street is very quiet at 9PM.

Best wishes, Stephen.
 

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These happen now and again on a Friday and Saturday night at Norwich.

The station is descended on by both BTP and Norfolk Constabulary, someone brings along a drug dog (I assume its Norfolk Constabulary) and do a drugs and ticket sting for a few hours.
 

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I think this is quite common. It certainly happens a lot on LUL. They usually wait at the top of the escalators so by the time anyone with anything to hide has seen them it's too late to run away.

Had it happen to me at Euston last summer. Springer Spaniel on a long lead passed through the waiting hordes.

Remember an incident at Wood Green, I think it was, that was shown as part of one of these police documentaries beloved of broadcasters. One bloke took exception to the dog and kicked it. He quickly made contact with the station wall with a couple of bobbies up against him.
 
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These happen now and again on a Friday and Saturday night at Norwich.

The station is descended on by both BTP and Norfolk Constabulary, someone brings along a drug dog (I assume its Norfolk Constabulary) and do a drugs and ticket sting for a few hours.

I have seen that when I have got off some Friday nights, but its a calm exercise when I have been there, a line of police and one dog, there is no drama like the OP witnessed at Worcester with them running around
 

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Indeed, by even 8pm, Worcester Fgt St is very quiet, having been standing at the platform an our ago - I have never seen such a check before.
 

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The police are in Aberdeen station every couple of days with a sniffer dog for drugs.

I am always reading in the local paper about a drugs mule coming up from Birmingham or Liverpool being caught in the station with cocaine or heroin.

I've often wondered why the mules don't get off at Stonehaven and bus it the rest of the way.
 

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I have seen that when I have got off some Friday nights, but its a calm exercise when I have been there, a line of police and one dog, there is no drama like the OP witnessed at Worcester with them running around

I suppose all they need is to pick the "right" person, just one person who has some drugs and doesn't want to be caught and you've got some drama.
 
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Indeed, by even 8pm, Worcester Fgt St is very quiet, having been standing at the platform an our ago - I have never seen such a check before.

Me never too. Only ever had a ticket check twice.

The only place I have been sniffed before was at Bristol Templemeads. That was the week of the Glastonbury Festival.
 

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After being greeted in this way after arriving at Inverness on the sleeper I made some enquiries which I included in the book I was writing -

At Inverness we were met by three policemen and a dog which sniffed at
every passenger, young or old. There was not a word of greeting
and my attempt at light hearted conversation, ‘Is this customs?’ met with a gruff
reply. My email to Visit Scotland suggesting that this was hardly the
friendly Highland welcome they advertise was forwarded to the local
police. Acting Detective Inspector Derek McGillivray phoned me to explain
that there had been a major drugs operation that day, and that as well as
raiding houses, officers had targeted the bus and railway stations. He
explained that although the Northern Constabulary Force area is one of
the safest places to live in the United Kingdom, many people don’t realise
that Inverness and even the remoter towns on the west coast have drug
problems. A follow up letter advised that at future similar operations ‘the
benefits of good interaction between police and public will be emphasised
to the officers deployed’. Hopefully next time the drugs dog sniffs a little
old lady he’ll do it with a smile on his face.
 
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I suppose all they need is to pick the "right" person, just one person who has some drugs and doesn't want to be caught and you've got some drama.

Suppose, but you would have thought at Norwich even the dumbest of criminals would know the games up with ten police, a dog and the gates shut

Guess it only leaves one alternative and that's to run off the edge of the platform onto the tracks towards Crown Point
 

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Remember an incident at Wood Green, I think it was, that was shown as part of one of these police documentaries beloved of broadcasters. One bloke took exception to the dog and kicked it. He quickly made contact with the station wall with a couple of bobbies up against him.

Was he a moron?

Why would that ever be a good idea!
 

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The Worcester operation was part of four-day drugs clampdown at various venues around the city, mostly nightclubs and bars but also Worcester Foregate Street station, which saw nearly 100 people stopped by police.

Five people were found to have drugs on them, the rest are presumed to have attracted dogs' attention because of other recent contact with illegal substances.

Reported on page 5 of today's Worcester News (Tuesday) and here: http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/10834146.Police_clampdown_on_drugs_in_Worcester/
 

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the rest are presumed to have attracted dogs' attention because of other recent contact with illegal substances.

Interesting point comes to mind here...

Let's say Mr A, who is a terrorist, sits on a train and traces of explosive are deposited from his clothes onto the seat.

Later on, Mr B sits in the same seat and picks up the traces.

As Mr B leaves the train, he passes through a dogs check. The dogs go crazy and Mr B is detained; forensic examination of his clothes reveals that he is covered with traces of explosives.

How would Mr B prove his innocence?
 

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Interesting point comes to mind here...

Let's say Mr A, who is a terrorist, sits on a train and traces of explosive are deposited from his clothes onto the seat.

Later on, Mr B sits in the same seat and picks up the traces.

As Mr B leaves the train, he passes through a dogs check. The dogs go crazy and Mr B is detained; forensic examination of his clothes reveals that he is covered with traces of explosives.

How would Mr B prove his innocence?

He neednt worry. As events in London proved, suspected terrorists on public transport are executed on sight and nobody is ever prosecuted for murder arising from it
 

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He neednt worry. As events in London proved, suspected terrorists on public transport are executed on sight and nobody is ever prosecuted for murder arising from it

Or, to put it another way, he won't be able to worry about anything again...
 

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Interesting point comes to mind here...
How would Mr B prove his innocence?

As far as I know it is still for the prosecution to prove guilt in a English court of law. One would think that they would struggle to find corroborating evidence in your scenario.

That is of course ..........no not going there.
 

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Interesting point comes to mind here...

Let's say Mr A, who is a terrorist, sits on a train and traces of explosive are deposited from his clothes onto the seat.

Later on, Mr B sits in the same seat and picks up the traces.

As Mr B leaves the train, he passes through a dogs check. The dogs go crazy and Mr B is detained; forensic examination of his clothes reveals that he is covered with traces of explosives.

How would Mr B prove his innocence?

Strictly speaking it is up to the police and the courts to prove guilt, and not up to Mr B to prove his innocence.
If a sniffer dog reacts to a persons clothing, which is then found to contain traces of explosives, it would seem reasonable for the police to search the persons home and workplace, and to pursue inquiries as to those they have been in contact with.

Traces of explosives MIGHT signify terrorism, but explosives have a number of legal uses in mining, demolition, and for military purposes.
Nitroglycerine is a dangerous explosive and is the active ingredient in a number of patent blasting explosives, it is also used as a heart medicine !

Fireworks are legal if not misused, and of course contain explosives (most fireworks use black powder AKA gun powder, not much used these days for other purposes, but some fireworks use other explosive compounds)

Shotguns have a number of lawful uses, and the shells of course contain explosives.
I have attracted the attention of a police sniffer dog at Paddington after lawfully useing a shotgun on a farm. I was asked to provide proof of identity, and asked if I had handled explosives or fire arms, the police seemed satisfied as to my explanation.
 

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British Transport Police I think.

Possibly a routine exercise. They did run up the stairs at speed pushing past me. They were sniffing all passengers and had pulled a chap to one side. With only half a dozen or so people off the train a very dull routine exercise. Worcester Foregate Street is very quiet at 9PM.

Best wishes, Stephen.

As an aside, it does tend to cast doubt on Worcester 'needing' an hourly through service to/from London when a peak hour departure from London has virtually no passengers getting off there
 
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As an aside, it does tend to cast doubt on Worcester 'needing' an hourly through service to/from London when a peak hour departure from London has virtually no passengers getting off there

True at that time of day perhaps. Dozens get of at Worcester Shrub Hill at that time. Most people are going on by car at that time. Foregate street has no parking or waiting and not many buses after 7pm.

Best wishes, Stephen.
 
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