Which Livery (on the following stock)

[tbtc]

A hypothetical/ fantasy thread, I suppose. Which is the best livery that each of the following had? (if you could only preserve one of each/ only had one of each on your model railway/ had to pick the main Wikepedia image for the relevant type of train)

• 08/09
• 31
• 37
• 47
• 50
• 55
• 66
• 86
• 90
• HST
• First Gen DMU (101-123?)
• Pacer
• 150
• 156
• 158
• 165/166
• 168/170
• High Speed DMU (180/ 220/ 221/ 222)
• PEP style EMU (313-315, 507-508)
• MK3 bodied EMU (317-322, 455-456)

(happy to include "large logo"/ "white roof" and various subsections of Railgreight - have tried to go for stock that's had a few liveries to choose from - if you include oddities like the purple "Porterbook" Deltic - since a lot of ancient stock only ever ran in blue/green and a lot of modern stock has only had one or two liveries)

 

[8J]

My answer to all of them would be BR, but that's just me

 

[90019]

A hypothetical/ fantasy thread, I suppose. Which is the best livery that each of the following had? (if you could only preserve one of each)

I would paint each one in a livery that it never carried, just to annoy the purists.

 

[Manchester77]

08/09 - BR Blue
31 - BR Blue/Regional Railways
37 - BR Green
47 - BR Blue Large Logo
50 - NSE
55 - BR Two Tone Green
66 - DB Schenker Red
86 - BR Electric Blue
90 - IC Swallow / GNER
HST - IC Swallow / AXC
First Gen DMU (101-123?) - BR Blue Grey
Pacer - FGW Local Lines
150 - Provincial Blue / London Midland
156 - Provincial Sprinter / Scotrail Saltire
158 - Regional Railways Express / Stagecoach (SWT/EMT it's the same!!)
165/166 - NSE
168/170 - New Chiltern / FTPE
High Speed DMU (180) - First Dynamic Lines / Virgin
PEP style EMU (313-315, 507-508) - Scotrail Saltire / SouthEastern
MK3 bodied EMU (317-322, 455-456) - South West Trains

 

[YorkshireBear]

08/09 - BR Blue
31 - EWS
37 - BR Blue Large Logo
47 - NSE
50 - NSE
55 - Two Tone Green
66 - DBS Red
86 - New Freightliner
90 - New Freightliner
HST - AXC
First Gen DMU (101-123?) Blue and Grey
Pacer - Northern Spirit
150 - FGW Plain Blue
156 - Northern Spirit
158 - SWT/EMT
165/166 - FGW dynamic Lines
168/170 - AXC
High Speed DMU (180/ 220/ 221/ 222) - EMT
PEP style EMU (313-315, 507-508) -Not Sure
MK3 bodied EMU (317-322, 455-456) - Like first capital connect

 

[D365]

Why only these specific types, might I ask? May answer later/when I have a bit more time on my hands

 

[rebmcr]

Trimmed it down to the ones I have an opinion on.

• 37 — Rail Blue
• 47 — Railfreight Two-Tone Grey (no logo, no red stripe)
• 86 — IC Swallow
• HST — Original Blue/Yellow
• Pacer — FNW/GMPTE Red/Grey
• 158 — WYPTE Red/Cream (close second Regional Railways White/Blue)

 

[317666]

Again these are just the ones I have an opinion on:

47 = Virgin Trains
66 = EWS
90 = Virgin Trains
HST = FGW Fag Packet
Pacer = Valley Lines
150 = FNW 'Gold Star'
156 = RR 'Express'
158 = TPE Maroon
PEP style EMU (313-315, 507-508) = Network SouthEast
MK3 bodied EMU (317-322, 455-456) = Network SouthEast with WAGN triangles by the doors (this only really applies to 317s).

 

[Eagle]

I would paint each one in a livery that it never carried, just to annoy the purists.

Not that some preservation societies don't already do that, of course :roll:

 

[jopsuk]

• 66 NSE
• 86 Royal Mail
• 90 ScotRail: Scotland's Railway
• HST Railfreight
• 156 BR Green
• 158 SNCF TER Blue/Silver
• 165/166 NS (dutch railways)
• 168/170 Blue/Grey
• High Speed DMU (180/ 220/ 221/ 222) Reverse Grey/Blue
• PEP style EMU (313-315, 507-508) Classic Amtrak
• MK3 bodied EMU (317-322, 455-456) DB Red

 

[Class172]

For those I have an opinion on (and have existed):

66 - EWS
86 - Virgin
90 - Intercity
HST - GNER
Pacer - Regional Railways
150 - London Midland
156 - EMT
158 - First Great Western
165/166 - First Great Western
168/170 - London Midland
High Speed DMU (180/ 220/ 221/ 222) - Virgin
PEP style EMU (313-315, 507-508) - Merseyrail (New)
MK3 bodied EMU (317-322, 455-456) - NSE

And then I could go into fictional liveries...

 

[Tracked]

08/09 - BR Green
31 - Regional Railways
37 - Regional Railways/Intercity
47 - Scotrail
50 - NSE
55 - I liked that Porterbrook purple one, we need more purple trains, anyway ...
66 - don't like them, don't want to look at them, not answering ...
86 - Electric Blue
90 - RES
HST - the Early Intercity livery
First Gen DMU (101-123?) - Regional Railways where appropriate (101's only then?)
Pacer - provinical blue
150 - London Midland
156 - EMT
158 - The original Express livery
165/166 - NSE
170 - XC
High Speed DMU (180) - Grand Central
PEP style EMU (313-315, 507-508) - BR Blue/Grey
MK3 bodied EMU (317-322, 455-456) - Blue/Grey or NSE

 

[tbtc]

• 08/09 - BR blue with the bold "diagonal" end
• 31 - "Dutch" Railfreight (yellow/ grey)
• 37 - Large Logo blue, with a big Scottish depot image (stag, castle etc)
• 47 - ScotRail style 47/7
• 50 - Another one that suited Large Logo blue best IMHO
• 55 - two tone green (I had a two tone green one on a model railway many years ago - think it was "MELD")
• 66 - Freightliner green/ yellow works best
• 86 - original Virgin black/red with the three stripes (a nod to Stagecoach's involvement? was this back when Stagecoach still had the three stripe livery on buses?)
• 90 - InterCity Swallow livery - one of the few types of train that suited this
• HST - GNER - was never a big fan of the TOC, but it was a great livery
• First Gen DMU (101-123?) - orange and black Strathclyde/ Manchester
• Pacer - I think that the Valley Lines red/ white/ green livery was good
• 150 - Anglia's turquoise
• 156 - NorthernSpirit green/ blue (with the big "N")
• 158 - has to be the original Regional Railways colour scheme - they looked so modern back then
• 165/166 - Thames Trains with the big blue areas around the doors
• 168/170 - National Express ScotRail - a garish mix of orange, purple and green (designed to appeal to both sides of the "Old Firm"?), but brings back memories of one of the first batches of new units in the privatised railways
• High Speed DMU (180/ 220/ 221/ 222) - Grand Central black/ orange
• PEP style EMU (313-315, 507-508) - I think that the Saltire liveried 314s look good in Glasgow (for such old units)
• MK3 bodied EMU (317-322, 455-456) - Silverlink 321 - the brash purple/ lime reminds me of the early days of privatisation where TOCs were desperate to look as different as possible (from British Rail, from each other) - so very '90s!

Why only these specific types, might I ask?

Just a compromise between listing dozens of types of engine/units (many of which have only had one or two liveries) and only having a couple listed (which basically comes down to "which is your favourite TOC".

Am happy for any others to be added to the list, of course, just trying to strike a balance. Maybe a "Slam Door" EMU should have been on the list, since they got a few liveries post-privatisation (in which case I'd vote for First GreatEastern's white/ blue/ green - a great livery, especially when run in multiple)

I would paint each one in a livery that it never carried, just to annoy the purists.

Irk The Purists

 

[43074]

31 - BR Large Logo Blue
47 - InterCity Swallow
50 - Network South East
66 - EWS
86 - Anglia Railways
90 - Virgin
91 - I/C Swallow
HST - I/C Swallow, Midland Mainline Teal & Tangerine or maybe GNER...
150 - RR or Anglia
156 - EMT Blue
158 - Original West Yorks PTE or RR Express
170 - Central Trains
High Speed DMU - 222 Midland Mainline 'Ocean Blue' or Grand Central 180
MK3 bodied EMU 321 - First Great Eastern

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Okay... I've limited myself to liveries carried by at least one of each grouping by the OP:

08/09: Railfreight grey.
31: Civil Engineering Dept 'Dutch' yellow/grey.
37: BR Large Logo blue.
47: BR Blue.
50: Revised NSE.
55: BR Blue with 'Finsbury Park' white window surrounds.
66: As they're basically identical to 59s, ARC yellow/grey.
86: Anglia blue.
90: IC Swallow.
HST: GNER (ideally without the DDA-enforced red doors!).
First Gen DMU: Oban 'Mexican Bean'.
Pacer: WYPTE 1980s green/beige. Maybe Valley Lines for units in that area.
150: Provincial blue.
156: Provincial 'Sprinter' variant.
158: WYPTE 'Raspberry Ripple'.
165/166: NSE (168/0s included in this as they look like turbos anyway!).
168/170: Midland Mainline 'Stag' livery.
High Speed DMU (180/ 220/ 221/ 222: FirstGroup 'Barbie' with Northern mods.
PEP style EMU (313-315, 507-508): Merseyrail silver/yellow.
MK3 bodied EMU (317-322, 455-456): Southern green/white.

 

[Lincoln_biker]

156 in Central Trains green/blue.

 

[Trainfan344]

I would paint each one in a livery that it never carried, just to annoy the purists.

You mean like this?

• 08/09 London Midland Green
• 31 LNER Black
• 37 Fly Virgin Trains Livery
• 47 Chiltern Livery
• 50 LNER Apple Green
• 55 EC Silver with Skyfall branding.
• 66 NSE
• 86 ATW Livery
• 90 Central Trains Green and blue.
• HST BR Green
• First Gen DMU (101-123?) Loadhaul Livery
• Pacer EWS Livery
• 150 First Scotrail livery
• 156 DRS Colours
• 158 Greater Anglia white.
• 165/166 Anglia Railways Green and white stripes
• 168/170 Caledonian Blue.
• High Speed DMU (180/ 220/ 221/ 222) One stripes livery
• PEP style EMU (313-315, 507-508) LU 150 livery
• MK3 bodied EMU (317-322, 455-456) LO Livery

 

[DXMachina]

• 08/09 LMS Black
• 31 Red Ochre
• 37 LMS Black with silver windows and grilles
• 47 RES Red
• 50 GWR green
• 55 Prototype Deltic blue with stripes
• 66 Just hide the damn thing somewhere I dont have to see it
• 86 BR AC Blue
• 90 Executive
• HST Blue Pullman nanking blue
• First Gen DMU (101-123?) BR green
• Pacer Original Provincial style
• 150 Centro green
• 156 158-style Regional Railways
• 158 Regional Railways non-158 style
• 165/166 NSE
• 168/170 LM Green
• High Speed DMU (180/ 220/ 221/ 222) Reverse blue-grey as suggested before
• PEP style EMU (313-315, 507-508) LMS Red
• MK3 bodied EMU (317-322, 455-456) NSE

 

[D6975]

08/09 Black
31 Regional
37 L Logo blue
47 NSE final version
50 3TG
55 Two tone green
66 DRS
86 electric blue
90 SNCB blue
HST Intercity early pre swallow
First Gen DMU (101-123?) green with whiskers
Pacer ATW
150 original RR
156 Strathclyde red/cream
158 anything other than centro green caterpillar
165/166 NSE
168/170 Strathclyde red/cream
High Speed DMU (180/ 220/ 221/ 222) GC/XC/XC/EMT
PEP style EMU (313-315, 507-508)Strathclyde red/cream/grey
MK3 bodied EMU (317-322, 455-456)NSE

 

[prod_pep]

• 66 - EWS
• 86 - Anglia Trains
• 90 - InterCity Swallow
• HST - InterCity Swallow
• First Gen DMU (101-123?) - Caledonian blue
• Pacer - WYPTE Metro
• 150 - Merseytravel
• 156 - Provincial
• 158 - Regional Railways Express
• 165/166 - NSE
• PEP style EMU (313-315, 507-508) - Strathclyde orange/black or Silverlink (I'd actually say Merseyrail Silver/Yellow is the worst livery these trains have had: it's dull and has aged terribly)
• MK3 bodied EMU (317-322, 455-456) - First Great Eastern

 

[ash39]

Biggest surprise for me is only 1 vote for Northern Spirit TPX maroon on the 158's... it looked fantastic!

 

[tbtc]

Biggest surprise for me is only 1 vote for Northern Spirit TPX maroon on the 158's... it looked fantastic!

I did consider it, but then I went for the "N" livery on a 156 instead... I know what you mean though, maroon and gold was a really good colour scheme

(in hindsight, I wish I'd gone for NSE livery on a 50 too)

 

[Eagle]

Biggest surprise for me is only 1 vote for Northern Spirit TPX maroon on the 158's... it looked fantastic!

Until it got First vinyls. And then, in one case, Central vinyls. And then EMT vinyls.

Sadly this monstrosity of a livery has been put out of its misery and the unit in question is now wearing a standard Stagecoach white.

 

[High Dyke]

I would paint each one in a livery that it never carried, just to annoy the purists.

Once turned up at a Model Railway exhibition with a B12 painted in NSE livery... That got a few making comments.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

You mean like this?

• 
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• First Gen DMU (101-123?) Loadhaul Livery
  ...

Didn't a Bubble once wear Loadhaul?

 

[Manchester77]

It's a pity the 180s never wore the VT livery it suits them really well IMO one of the reasons I picked it

Virgin Trains class 180 by Alternative Railways, on Flickr

 

[Boothby97]

• 08/09 - BR Green
• 31 - BR Blue
• 37 - Intercity
• 47 - (Old) Virgin Trains (black and red)
• 50 - BR Blue (or LoadHaul like 50035 )
• 55 - BR Blue
• 66 - Colas Rail
• 86 - Intercity
• 90 - Freightliner Green
• HST - GNER
• First Gen DMU (101-123?) - BR Green
• Pacer - First North Western or West Yorkshire Metro
• 150 - Northern Rail
• 156 - Strathclyde Carmine & Cream
• 158 - Northern Spirit/TPE Maroon
• 165/166 - Chiltern White & Blue
• 168/170 - London Midland
• High Speed DMU (180/ 220/ 221/ 222) - Virgin Trains (after seeing the photo in the previous post)
• PEP style EMU (313-315, 507-508) - Southeastern Black, Grey and White
• MK3 bodied EMU (317-322, 455-456) - One Stripes

 

[hairyhandedfool]

• 08/09 - Connex South Central
• 31 - Regional Railways
• 37 - Railfreight (sector)
• 47 - Virgin red/dark grey
• 50 - Railfreight General
• 55 - Porterbrook purple
• 66 - Freightliner (early green)
• 86 - Virgin 'Caledonian' blue/dark grey
• 90 - SNCF grey/orange
• HST - Midland Mainline Teal/Tangerine
• First Gen DMU (101-123?) - Regional Railways
• Pacer - West Yorkshire/Arriva red/silver
• 150 - Silverlink
• 156 - Northern Spirit blue/green
• 158 - Scotrail (National Express)
• 165/166 - NSE
• 168/170 - Southwest Trains
• High Speed DMU (180/ 220/ 221/ 222) - Virgin Trains red/silver
• PEP style EMU (313-315, 507-508) - First Great Eastern blue/green/grey
• MK3 bodied EMU (317-322, 455-456) - WAGN white/red/black (317)
  
  And a couple of others
  
• 56 - Fastline Freight
• 58 - Mainline Freight
• 60 - Loadhaul
  

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First Gen DMU (101-123?) - Regional Railways where appropriate (101's only then?)....

And 117's and a 122......

Didn't a Bubble once wear Loadhaul?

Yep, a route learner.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Now for my fictional selection:

• 08/09 - Scotland's Railways.
• 31 - Metropolitan Maroon a la Sarah Siddons
• 37 - Northern Spirit green/blue.
• 47 - London Overground.
• 50 - Swallow.
• 55 - GNER (naturally!).
• 66 - ONE Stripes.
• 86 - GB Railways-era Hull Trains.
• 90 - 303-style 'Blue Train'.
• HST - Valley Lines white/red/green.
• First Gen DMU (101-123?) - Virgin red/silver.
• Pacer - 'Jaffa Cake'.
• 150 - Island Line 'dinosaurs'.
• 156 - Royal Mail.
• 158 - Glasgow Subway-style all-over orange.
• 165/166 - Provincial (Western) 'skipper' brown.
• 168/170 - RRNW 'green stripe'.
• High Speed DMU (180/ 220/ 221/ 222) - South Yorkshire PTE brown.
• PEP style EMU (313-315, 507-508) - 1970s 'refurbished DMU' white with blue stripe.
• MK3 bodied EMU (317-322, 455-456) - Provincial blue (pacer variant).