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Lost ticket, now I'M in trouble?

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thedbdiboy

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How can this person who stole my ticket get off scott free and I'm the one in trouble? How can I even prove otherwise? They'll just think "a likely story"

If (as it appears) someone has found/stolen your ticket and has tried using it, they will not get off scot free - in fact they are likely to be charged with a criminal offence.

The thing you need to sort out is to make clear that you didn't pass on your ticket and that it was taken and used without your consent.
 
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Chrisgr31

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There will be others who can help. But what amazes me is people having things worth thousands of pounds, and not taking better care, or noticing when its missing. If it was a laptop, or phone that was worth the same you would soon notice it gone.

But why should they contact you. You had not reported it missing. Someone has used it, been caught, gave a story. Perhaps even gave a telephone number to confirm the story. The pass was then confiscated, and its now in the system, a system that moves slowly. Now you have reported it missing, things will be moving, but as its now part of a fraud case, may take some time.
Plus, did they have your details, phone etc.

I think you are being slightly harsh in this post but as a guard who undoubtedly gets all the stories virtually daily on excuses for having lost tickets this is probably not surprising.

Personally I take a lot of care over my ticket, checking I have it before I leave the hosue, when I get to the station, and when I get off the train. However I only do this after I lost it last year.

The problem is that it is a paper ticket, you need it to go through the barriers at some stations but not all. When you do need it to go through barriers you tend to have hands full with coats, briefcases or whatever. Its not particularly easy to get it back in to its wallet and if it is thats usually because the wallet is damaged and as such it can fall back out again.

I find the big danger time is when tickets get checked on the train. I keep the ticket in its ToC supplied wallet in my pocket, thats great for going through barriers as I can push it deep back in my pocket. However when sitting down on a train it doesn't go back in as well and can fall out again.

I have no idea where I lost my ticket last year, but I retained my photocard, so I can only assume I put the ticket back in my pocket after it had been checked, without putting it in the wallet and I assume it fell out. It wasn't until I needed it when I got to the ticket barrier at London Bridge I realised I had lost it.

As it happened after 3 weeks it was handed in to my local station but by then I had a replacement. Now last night there was an item on BBC News South East about a South Eastern company who had lost his ticket twice and the ToC was refusing to replace it and he was complaining.

When I lost my ticket it was made very clear that I would be unlikely to get a 2nd replacement in a year and only would if my original ticket was handed in and it was clear the 2nd loss was stolen.

I believe that ticket holders dont realise that when lost a ticket cannot be cancelled and it remains live and if found can be used by someone else until they are caught.

I am very surprised someone was caught using it so quickly, because I can't recall the last time my photocard was checked, indeed I seperately lost my photocard last year and didnt get it replaced until renewing my season ticket 6 months later!

This is one issue that smartcards will address, allowing the lost ticket to be cancelled and therefore I guess more replacements issued.
 

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I think you are being slightly harsh in this post but as a guard who undoubtedly gets all the stories virtually daily on excuses for having lost tickets this is probably not surprising.

Personally I take a lot of care over my ticket, checking I have it before I leave the hosue, when I get to the station, and when I get off the train. However I only do this after I lost it last year.

The problem is that it is a paper ticket, you need it to go through the barriers at some stations but not all. When you do need it to go through barriers you tend to have hands full with coats, briefcases or whatever. Its not particularly easy to get it back in to its wallet and if it is thats usually because the wallet is damaged and as such it can fall back out again.

I find the big danger time is when tickets get checked on the train. I keep the ticket in its ToC supplied wallet in my pocket, thats great for going through barriers as I can push it deep back in my pocket. However when sitting down on a train it doesn't go back in as well and can fall out again.

I have no idea where I lost my ticket last year, but I retained my photocard, so I can only assume I put the ticket back in my pocket after it had been checked, without putting it in the wallet and I assume it fell out. It wasn't until I needed it when I got to the ticket barrier at London Bridge I realised I had lost it.

As it happened after 3 weeks it was handed in to my local station but by then I had a replacement. Now last night there was an item on BBC News South East about a South Eastern company who had lost his ticket twice and the ToC was refusing to replace it and he was complaining.

When I lost my ticket it was made very clear that I would be unlikely to get a 2nd replacement in a year and only would if my original ticket was handed in and it was clear the 2nd loss was stolen.

I believe that ticket holders dont realise that when lost a ticket cannot be cancelled and it remains live and if found can be used by someone else until they are caught.

I am very surprised someone was caught using it so quickly, because I can't recall the last time my photocard was checked, indeed I seperately lost my photocard last year and didnt get it replaced until renewing my season ticket 6 months later!

This is one issue that smartcards will address, allowing the lost ticket to be cancelled and therefore I guess more replacements issued.
Whilst allowing the TOC / police to check / trace your movements centrally with as I understand it no need to get permission :(
 

Chrisgr31

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Whilst allowing the TOC / police to check / trace your movements centrally with as I understand it no need to get permission :(

Cant say that that bit worries me, well unless they tell my wife or work where I am!
 

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Hi, I had a week off work and must've left my ticket on the train or dropped it nearby. It's a very expensive, annual pass. By the time I had noticed I had lost it, it had already been a few days. I called up the helpline and the person on the end of the phone told me that my 'boyfriend' was caught using it. Although this is impossible as my boyfriend never uses a train, had the same week off as me and rides a motorbike to work. I have maxed out my credit card buying weekly tickets as they assured me they would pay me back once this was sorted. However, they have not contacted me and after numerous phone calls, they have told me that it's now in the hands of prosecution. Why is it me who's in trouble and not the person caught using my ticket?

I only know any of this because I've made numerous phone calls. They have NOT ONCE contacted me about this. It's outrageous and I'm being treated like a criminal for someone elses wrong doings. It's frustrating enough to lose a ticket that cost thousands of pounds, this is beyond a joke.
Ring them and say your local police station and your insurer need the Crime Reference Number.
 

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And why would anyone want to track your movements anyway?

Indeed. It's like people who complain about having their Internet activity at work scrutinised. They don't realise that there are way more important things to do than check what 1 person gets up to all day...
 

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Ring them and say your local police station and your insurer need the Crime Reference Number.

The Police would have any crime reference number - it is they who generate it when a matter is reported and logged as a crime.
 

andykn

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The Police would have any crime reference number - it is they who generate it when a matter is reported and logged as a crime.

Yes, but if the TOC really thought it was a crime and were treating it as such they would have reported it to the Police themselves and been given that Crime Reference Number.

If they're just fobbing off the OP on the other hand...
 

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Yes, but if the TOC really thought it was a crime and were treating it as such they would have reported it to the Police themselves and been given that Crime Reference Number.

If they're just fobbing off the OP on the other hand...

Unless, as TOCs usually do, they were thinking of prosecuting themselves.
 
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