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old Midland Mainline corporate HST video 1997

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worth a watch IMO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIMpPnYLEkY
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ok lets develop this a bit, after watching it twice, some things I wish to discuss.

did National Express really do that well with the Midland Mian Line Franchise?? were the unifroms that great? what about the service given?

It is definitely interesting to compare Midland Mainline with Today's East Midlands Trains operations. Perhaps the green was just too vibrant!
 
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First bit just makes you nostalgic for Intercity. Wasn't it the brand with the highest level of brand awareness in the country at one point?
 

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Interesting video, thanks for posting.

did National Express really do that well with the Midland Mian Line Franchise?? were the unifroms that great? what about the service given?

It is definitely interesting to compare Midland Mainline with Today's East Midlands Trains operations. Perhaps the green was just too vibrant!

The teal & tangerine livery was better than that awful Ocean Blue we had from March 2003! I was glad to see it go.

I think one of the reasons the MML took off at privatisation was because the MML was probably the least of the money stricken InterCity's concerns, especially when IC included the more profitable ECML and WCML which would obviously take priority for major investment. Yes it recieved hand me down HSTs in 1982, but that was only due to a recession.

Privatisation gave the route it's own focus, and arguably without NX we wouldn't have had increased frequencies, new trains, better punctuality (93% by the end of the franchise) and faster journeys. MML did have it's ups and downs over the years though, like all the early franchises did.

EMT then developed what MML had done before it, but I would question whether the EMT bought anything radically new in terms of service on the route. EMT has definitely been good for the local routes which are more reliable than they ever were with CT, but the jury's out on the MML. I would argue EMT are too big for their own good, but it depends on your viewpoint. They haven't even integrated Mainline/Local services into a coherant timetable, e.g. look at the ''connection'' between the Ivanhoe stoppers and the Mainline service at Leicester.
 

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i have highlighted stuff in blue that i hve picked up on.

Interesting video, thanks for posting.

The teal & tangerine livery was better than that awful Ocean Blue we had from March 2003! I was glad to see it go.

I think one of the reasons the MML took off at privatisation was because the MML was probably the least of the money stricken InterCity's concerns, especially when IC included the more profitable ECML and WCML which would obviously take priority for major investment. Yes it recieved hand me down HSTs in 1982, but that was only due to a recession.

Privatisation gave the route it's own focus, and arguably without NX we wouldn't have had increased frequencies, new trains, better punctuality (93% by the end of the franchise) and faster journeys. MML did have it's ups and downs over the years though, like all the early franchises did.

EMT then developed what MML had done before it, but I would question whether the EMT bought anything radically new in terms of service on the route. EMT has definitely been good for the local routes which are more reliable than they ever were with CT, but the jury's out on the MML. I would argue EMT are too big for their own good, but it depends on your viewpoint. They haven't even integrated Mainline/Local services into a coherant timetable, e.g. look at the ''connection'' between the Ivanhoe stoppers and the Mainline service at Leicester.

glad you enjoyed the video mate!

On the financial front I shall agree very much with that, something which I hadn't thought off. I think the only major investment the MML got near to and in the intercity years was the resignalling and rebuilding of leicester station in the 80's, however, i could be wrong.

when Mainline came into being it was a start and a half, but by the time they had finished up with the franchise, yeah things were doing great frequency wise. when NatEx started they only had the HST's to use, by 1998, they had ordered and started using turbostars by 2001, which was a great help to get more frequency (although the choice of unit is another matter!). When the meridians came in, that was the goldon hour for nat ex, we had a lot more trains per hour at each station and corby was stating to be noticed more as well, another winning point. the punctuality was continued by EMT as well.

I think with EMT, things look smarter but i still fel a lot of the service attitude has been carried over from MML ( a lot of the staff are still about too!). they have managed to get punctuaity upto 98% at one point which is good, but I also agree with you on the integrated timetables... its just not... well, integrated, i suppose! the ivanhoe services are great and at times get very busy, but with each train arriving at leicester at approx :20 past eachhour, you have missed the fast service to sheffield, the stanstad airport service, a local to brummie..... I will admit they could work harder on that one, but wen they will is another matter.

the MML is a big thing now compared to 20 odd year ago, where really, a lot of railway top guns couldn't give a monkeys about it. I would like to see more frequent stopping services dow and up the MML, like to Bedford and better connections from the north to corby. I also think more of an effort should be made to use the harringworth viaduct route for fast services so they can avoid congestion.

In all honesty I think the Jury should wait until the MML is electrified before anything is said. when electrification happens a lot of issues people have may be shifted elsewhere.
 

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I also think more of an effort should be made to use the harringworth viaduct route for fast services so they can avoid congestion.
Which fast services are you proposing to slow down in favour of avoiding non-existent congestion?
 

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Did I spot that Ian Walmsley -who now writes regularly for Modern Railways on rolling stock matters- speaking as a customer in the video?
 

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Thanks for posting that MCW, it brings back many memories for me, I'm even in it! Interesting also to see the changing hair styles and fashion, and good to see old colleagues also.
 

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Did I spot that Ian Walmsley -who now writes regularly for Modern Railways on rolling stock matters- speaking as a customer in the video?

yes you are probeably rght my mate who sent me the video said he knew that guy and he was in the video too.
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Which fast services are you proposing to slow down in favour of avoiding non-existent congestion?

ok, let me try that again...

why don't they make use of the track and provide more services instead of the track hardly getting used and being sat there doing nothing. its pointless haing that line if no one can be bothered to use it.
 

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ok, let me try that again...

why don't they make use of the track and provide more services instead of the track hardly getting used and being sat there doing nothing. its pointless haing that line if no one can be bothered to use it.

Its still an important diversionary route from the MML despite its usage.

I agree they could run more regular Corby to the North services though. If they called Oakham, Melton Mowbray, Loughborough, East Midlands Parkway and then either to Nottingham or Derby such a service would mitigate the degrading of connections at Leicester in the December 2013 timetable as well as improving links between Rutland and the East Midlands.
 
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Talk about rose tinted spectacles when some of us look to the past

Many passengers moaning about the seats!!
 

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Harringworth? Fast?!

How about considering some modest schemes to replace the lost capacity in a few places and continuing its important use as a route to keep as much freight as possible off the route via Market Harborough - apart from conflicts at Leicester, Mountsorrel and Trent (for anything to/from Derby), effectively keeping freight out of the way of most EMT London services right through to at least Chesterfield?
 

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Stilted corperate speak.

Sixteen years ago - I wonder what the people are doing now and what they would think of how they spoke and acted all that time ago?

I liked the train colour change though.

Thanks for the link
 

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why don't they make use of the track and provide more services instead of the track hardly getting used and being sat there doing nothing. its pointless haing that line if no one can be bothered to use it.

The track (Corby to Manton) isn't hardly used. There's a lot of freight that goes that way.
 

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I wouldn't say a lot of freight goes that way currently (most days, you could count them on one hand) - but there's a lot of potential for future use, and it's just as important a diversionary route for freight on nights as it is for passengers on days.
 

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I heard it's not even getting wired as part of the MML electrification so it will soon be an obsolete diversionary route for passengers.
 

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Yes, currently the wires will end at Corby.

I reckon if Corby to Manton bets electrified, it'll be done along with the Birmingham–Leicester–Peterborough route (which could be quite a while off though).
 

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Stilted corperate speak.

Sixteen years ago - I wonder what the people are doing now and what they would think of how they spoke and acted all that time ago?

I liked the train colour change though.

Thanks for the link

I know a few of them and it's mostly 'oh my god, I was so thin back then' :lol:
 

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Harringworth? Fast?!

How about considering some modest schemes to replace the lost capacity in a few places and continuing its important use as a route to keep as much freight as possible off the route via Market Harborough - apart from conflicts at Leicester, Mountsorrel and Trent (for anything to/from Derby), effectively keeping freight out of the way of most EMT London services right through to at least Chesterfield?

Regarding what you say capcity also got me thinking'.... Why were the slow lines south of leicester station removed and singled (in places)? that would have eased capacity for quite a distance.

The track (Corby to Manton) isn't hardly used. There's a lot of freight that goes that way.

how many freight flows currently use it?
 

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It's amazing how corporate videos from the late nineties use the exact soundtrack as corporate videos from the eighties.

The entirely pointless musical transition at 05:14 is my favourite point in the entire video.
 

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Regarding what you say capcity also got me thinking'.... Why were the slow lines south of leicester station removed and singled (in places)? that would have eased capacity for quite a distance.



how many freight flows currently use it?
I would imagine the layout was heavily rationalised (in the 1980s resignalling?) simply because the traffic levels at the time, and forecast for the future, didn't justify the retention of the various additional running lines. No doubt there was the opportunity to improve the line speeds through the area as a result too. Yes, it'd be useful to have some of it back now - but a new flyover at Wigston (as proposed?) would be even more useful!

The only regular freight, unless I've forgotten something, between Manton and Corby at the moment is the Corby steel (usually runs in the morning, sometimes in the afternoon too), Earles - West Thurrock cement and a couple of stone trains (and the returning empties for them all). The vast majority of freight is for the Peterborough direction at Manton.
 

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Nothing to do with the trains at all but didnt people have enormous glasses in the late 1990s!
 

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I would imagine the layout was heavily rationalised (in the 1980s resignalling?) simply because the traffic levels at the time, and forecast for the future, didn't justify the retention of the various additional running lines. No doubt there was the opportunity to improve the line speeds through the area as a result too. Yes, it'd be useful to have some of it back now - but a new flyover at Wigston (as proposed?) would be even more useful!

The only regular freight, unless I've forgotten something, between Manton and Corby at the moment is the Corby steel (usually runs in the morning, sometimes in the afternoon too), Earles - West Thurrock cement and a couple of stone trains (and the returning empties for them all). The vast majority of freight is for the Peterborough direction at Manton.

we seem to be gettig a fair few liners coming our way with DRS kit on the front, both going to and from the peterborough direction.

the Manton Corby is a strange one, it hasn't ran in the afternoon recently when i hae been about during the afternoons but I know it runs earlyhours of the morning
 

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Its funny how they are moaning about the seats. Passengers now would love seats like they had!
 
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