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Towns with all local or no local bus operators

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Do any towns have only bus operators who are based locally and have an operating licence registered to a local address?

Conversely do any towns have no local operators at all?
 
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Do any towns have only bus operators who are based locally and have an operating licence registered to a local address?

Conversely do any towns have no local operators at all?

That probably depends how local you mean.

My local town, Keighley has operators based in Keighley, Burnley, Halifax and Bradford - which are all fairly local.
 

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That probably depends how local you mean.

My local town, Keighley has operators based in Keighley, Burnley, Halifax and Bradford - which are all fairly local.

Ah but Burnley & Pendle is part of a Transdev group of companies registered to a Harrogate address.
 

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All of Aylesbury's operations are either Arriva from the Aylesbury depot or Aylesbury-based independent operations.

However selected route 500 services are operated by Arriva's Hemel depot. Still fairly local and a jointly-operated route. And one bus a day on route 18 from Claydon-based Langston and Tasker.

I think that's as close as you'll get!
 

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Andover is an interesting one. There is Stagecoach which operates most buses, and Wilts & Dorset (Go Ahead Group) sharing the route into Salisbury with Stagecoach, neither of which are local.

Then there's Cango, which operates a demand-based bus service (ie book in advance and a bus will appear, but they won't turn up if nobody books), and are run by Hampshire County Council - which is based in Winchester. However, most Cango buses are in the Andover area (with a few in Basingstoke, Alresford and the New Forest). Does this count as local? ;) If not, there's a town with no local buses (unless I'm missing another company ;))
 

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Ah but Burnley & Pendle is part of a Transdev group of companies registered to a Harrogate address.

The correspondence goes to the Harrogate address but the registered operating centre is in Burnley. Similarly with Keighley and District.
 

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Gosport.

With the exception of the Portsmouth Ferry, all public transport in the town is exclusively operated by First - and even then, there's not a lot. It gets eight BRT Eclipses an hour, four buses on the 9/9A, and five others on hourly routes - and that's it.

Across the Harbour, Portsmouth isn't much better. It has numerous National Express routes, three TOCs, more ferries and even Megabus - but as far as buses go, First are challenged only by Stagecoach, and then Portsmouth is very much peripheral to them.
 
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Cumbernauld, first closed the depot. Stagecoach and First Glasgow travel up from Glasgow. First Edinburgh, Either Larbart or Stirling. Hendersons is Hamilton, Canavan are up in Kilsyth.
 

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Dudley

The NXWM depot is in the Kingswinford area
The Hansons depot is in the Stourbridge area
The Rotala depot is in the Oldbury area
The Arriva depot is in Wednesfield

No buses are run by a operator based in the Dudley post town
 

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Andover is an interesting one. There is Stagecoach which operates most buses, and Wilts & Dorset (Go Ahead Group) sharing the route into Salisbury with Stagecoach, neither of which are local.

Actually it's not W&D anymore, it's Salisbury Reds, who are based in Salisbury. (Of course they're still part of the Poole-based Go South Coast.)
 

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Edinburgh's local buses are almost exclusively companies based in Edinburgh:
Lothian at Annandale Street, Longstone Road and Seafield Road East
ECL at Salamander Street
Waverley are apparently based out at Turnhouse

Other operators like First and Stagecoach really only operate services to and from the city.
The only exception I can think of is Eve, who are based in Dunbar.
 

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What are we actually counting as local, anyway? Take Stagecoach Warwickshire in my town. They have a large depot here and pretty much all services in and around Leamington are operated from that depot. But their head office is in Rugby, so do we say they're based there? Or do we take the head office of Stagecoach Midlands, which is Northampton, or of Stagecoach Bus as a whole, which is Perth?
 

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Actually it's not W&D anymore, it's Salisbury Reds, who are based in Salisbury. (Of course they're still part of the Poole-based Go South Coast.)
Ah, yes, I knew they were trying to rebrand that, it just slipped my mind.
 

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The vast majority of the buses in Wallingford are operated by Thames Travel, based in Wallingford. (Yes, part of Go-Ahead now, but still local.)

The only exceptions: a very limited number of market-day services run by Whites Coaches, based a few miles away in Berinsfield; and one route now operated by Go Ride, who are based a few more miles away in Abingdon.
 

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Where I am:

Robertson's - Duns
First - Larbert (until end of service on August 11th)
Travelsure - Belford
Wait's - Chirnside
Perryman's - Berwick (from August 12th)
Snaith - Otterburn

It should be mentioned though that both Robertson's and Snaith's operate mainly school contracts.

And we mustn't forget Jedburgh which until last week had two operators based in the town, Munro's and Peter Hogg, before Munro's went "splat".
 
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Boroughbridge, North Yorks, is about the only place I can think of that just has independent local operators and no big groups. Mainly Eddie Brown, but others too.
 

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Is there anywhere that might count as a 'town' that has no buses at all? Plenty of 'villages', obviously - but towns?
 

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Transdev are owned by United buses. All the buses in Lancashire and Yorkshire that are run by Transdev do indeed have a address registered in Harrogate

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The 4 principal operators are locally based:

Trent Barton-Notts based
Nottingham City-Notts based
YourBus-Heanor based (Sorry, as somebody pointed out yourbus is technichally owned by Veolia dunnline-although dunnline went bust in Nottingham and made yourbus instead. They rival against TB and NCT and are currently loosing!
Notts+Derby-Derby based

There are also:
K and H Doyles, Marshalls, Paul Wilson, AOT coaches etc. which are all local.

PRONTO, 331 and Sherwood Arrow are run by stagecoach which aren't but that's if your being picky (and these are for the county anyway)
 
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define 'town' , define local

if you take the definition of town has 'has a town council as the third tier LA' ( as opposed to a parish council or being solely under a 2nd tier tier or unitary authority in 'unparished area)

first tier - county, 2 nd tier = district, unitary areas are 1st and 2nd combined)

on that basis there are huge numbers of Towns without a 'local' operator ( Stagecoach operations in Lincolnshire are run from either Lincoln (Roadcar) or Grimsby (ex GCT)...

there are even cities without local operators - especially if you go by the legal lettering

e.g. Leicester - First leicester have legal lettering saying they are based in Chelmsford ! - although the depot is in the City Boundary and Arriva Midlands Leicester are based in Charnwood ( both legal lettering - giving the Thurmaston depot address and the location of the Thurmaston depot)

not sure of Leicester Centrebus are still in the City or just into Charnwood as they are outside the ring road and the depot has an LE 4 postcode
 
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there are even cities without local operators - especially if you go by the legal lettering

e.g. Leicester - First leicester have legal lettering saying they are based in Chelmsford ! - although the depot is in the City Boundary and Arriva Midlands Leicester are based in Charnwood ( both legal lettering - giving the Thurmaston depot address and the location of the Thurmaston depot)

not sure of Leicester Centrebus are still in the City or just into Charnwood as they are outside the ring road and the depot has an LE 4 postcode

Lancaster, is enother city with-out any PSV operators bases. the nearest are Batterbys Silver Grey at Morecambe (postcode LA3), even Stagecoach in Lancaster depot is in Morecambe (Postcode LA3), followed by Kirkby Lonsdale Coach Hire & Travellers Choice at Carnforth (Postcode LA5).
 

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The 4 principal operators are locally based:

Trent Barton-Notts based
Nottingham City-Notts based
YourBus-Heanor based (Sorry, as somebody pointed out yourbus is technichally owned by Veolia dunnline-although dunnline went bust in Nottingham and made yourbus instead. They rival against TB and NCT and are currently loosing!
Notts+Derby-Derby based

There are also:
K and H Doyles, Marshalls, Paul Wilson, AOT coaches etc. which are all local.

PRONTO, 331 and Sherwood Arrow are run by stagecoach which aren't but that's if your being picky (and these are for the county anyway)

VeoliaTransdev don't own YourBus, do they? :s
 

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In Nottingham, yourbus is owned by Scott Dunn (son of Bob Dunn of Dunn-Line fame). There is a tenuous (although not acknowledged) link to Rotala through that connection.

Dunn-Line didn't go bust - the business was sold to Veolia when they were doing the "bus" thing.

on that basis there are huge numbers of Towns without a 'local' operator ( Stagecoach operations in Lincolnshire are run from either Lincoln (Roadcar) or Grimsby (ex GCT)...

It depends on how you define "local" in this context. Whilst in the example above, both Grimsby and Lincoln are part of Stagecoach East Midlands (on the Lincolnshire Roadcar operators licence), both have depots locally, with management also based there. The same can be said for all of Stagecoach.

There will be certain towns, however, where the depot itself is an outstation, so the operator cannot be said to be "local". Take March, Cambridgeshire. There is a depot there, but it is an outstation of Cambridge, Peterborough and Fenstanton depots of Stagecoach East - but the drivers are locally based!

Whilst O-licences may have addresses far away, you'll find most larger groups have a "local" presence - and as has been shown in the industry by the recent news that First is splitting the South West back into four seperate operating companies, seems to show that this "local" ideal works.

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PRONTO, 331 and Sherwood Arrow are run by stagecoach which aren't but that's if your being picky (and these are for the county anyway)


K & H Doyle have run the 331 for years. I think East Midland (as it then was)may have run the Sunday tender about 20 years ago (as did Derby City Transport & Pathfinder amongst others!)
 

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K & H Doyle have run the 331 for years. I think East Midland (as it then was)may have run the Sunday tender about 20 years ago (as did Derby City Transport & Pathfinder amongst others!)

In the early nineties the 331 had three or four operators being a mix of commercial and subsidised journeys.
I recall journeys being run by Dunn line and NCT.
 
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In the early nineties the 331 had three or four operators being a mix of commercial and subsidised journeys.
I recall journeys being run by Dunn line and NCT.

You forgot the (in)famous Camms (Collapsables). When they ceased trading Dunnline took their journeys, and eventually the entire route when Trent packed in.
 

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Haddington in East Lothian is quite diverse with Firsts Musselburgh depot doing X6 X8 106 and 108, Prentice of Haddington doing 123 and 121, Perimans of Berwick doing 253 and Eve of Dunbar on 128.

If first dont survive it will become even more interesting↲
 

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Most of the bus routes that operate in my area are tendered to companies with bus garages at least two miles from my house using Peckham, Camberwell or Catford garages.

However two routes are based slightly further away based at Beddington or South Croydon.
 
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