Life Saver: Do you know what to do?

[ralphchadkirk]

The Resus Council UK have produced a brilliant interactive film to see if you know what to do if someone chokes or collapses.

https://life-saver.org.uk

 

[VTPreston_Tez]

I already knew. Very useful life tool.

 

[bb21]

Excellent refresher course.

I am shocked that I only got 80% of the questions right. Looks like I'm gonna need to do First Aid again.

 

[deltic1989]

That's brilliant, some of the questions made me think twice. It's been a while since I did my last refresher, and even longer since I had to use this in anger so to speak.

 

[tsr]

For the CPR one with "Jake", I got 24/25, 0.87s mean response time and 72% CPR accuracy. I definitely need to do a practical refresher for the chest compressions (something I'm working on getting booked anyway), but overall I'm not too annoyed with myself.

Unfortunately, playing with a Flash animation doesn't really prepare you for real life, but still, it's one of the most realistic demo videos I've seen. Keeping calm under intense pressure is tough, but even if you forget something, remember that whatever you do is generally better than not helping at all!

 

[Simon11]

I thought that was really good, got two scenarios right, just got two wrong with choking, so rather pleased

 

[bb21]

For the CPR one with "Jake", I got 24/25, 0.87s mean response time and 72% CPR accuracy. I definitely need to do a practical refresher for the chest compressions (something I'm working on getting booked anyway), but overall I'm not too annoyed with myself.

That is an excellent result. I doubt being slightly faster or slower than stipulated with your CPR compressions would matter a great deal, as long as they are not too far out.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Hopefully it encourages more people to go to First Aid courses, and makes people less scared of getting involved.

 

[ainsworth74]

Definitely, it's the sort of skills that everyone should be taught (or at least some of the basics like recovery position and so on) as it can make a real difference. On that note, I should really go on a refresher course...

 

[ralphchadkirk]

In my opinion, CPR and the recovery position should be taught to all school children.

The thing that saves people's lives in cardiac arrest is early chest compressions and early defibrillation - hence public AEDs and these advertising campaigns.

 

[ainsworth74]

In my opinion, CPR and the recovery position should be taught to all school children.

Sounds like a good idea, once they've been taught to swim (another important skill) move onto basic first aid including CPR and the recovery position.

 

[BrownE]

Sounds like a good idea, once they've been taught to swim (another important skill) move onto basic first aid including CPR and the recovery position.

Schools certainly in Kent are increasingly doing this. The British Red Cross offer a course called 'Everyday First Aid' (Community Based First Aid) that focuses on key-skills rather than medical knowledge. There are 18 'key skills' (previously 14) and it's taught by Community Educators (Volunteers) rather than the commercial arm making the cost to Schools somewhere around £3-5 a head.

The idea of it being simple is so that the target groups (the public) can make a big difference without having to remember a shed load of acronyms and methods.

So CPR is just chest compressions, choking is just hitting them firmly rather back blows etc. Link.

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Anyway, the results, my internet dropped so I need to start again.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

CPR should be taught as just chest compressions to lay people IMO. Much easer than having to remember 30:2, 15:2, 3:1 etc.

 

[Yew]

CPR should be taught as just chest compressions to lay people IMO. Much easer than having to remember 30:2, 15:2, 3:1 etc.

Dont forget they change the numers when new reserch comes out, I'm sure I remember 20:3 being taught to me at some point in time.


Is it bad i was humming staying alive whilst doing the compressions, the TV adverts paid off

 

[BrownE]

Much easer than having to remember 30:2, 15:2, 3:1 etc.

I sense you are a health care professional... CPR is taught to an intermediate level (Event First Aid type people) and below (Emergency Life Support, First Aid at Work etc) as 30:2 for adults. Then 5 rescue breaths and 30:2 for children and infants (with some other minor bits). (But I suspect you know that).


Now I have the results from the life-saver video:
25/25 answered in 0.46
CPR - 56%

Although I find it considerably easier to do CPR in reality than press q&p.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

I sense you are a health care professional

Student HCP

CPR is taught to an intermediate level (Event First Aid type people) and below (Emergency Life Support, First Aid at Work etc) as 30:2 for adults. Then 5 rescue breaths and 30:2 for children and infants (with some other minor bits). (But I suspect you know that).

Ah, didn't know that. I presumed that first aiders were taught 30:2 and 15:2 (not 3:1 though). There's so many different first aid courses though. I don't have much contact with BRC (or, indeed, SJA) so I'm never entirely sure what they are taught.

I think KISS applies more than ever in these situations.

 

[bb21]

25/25 answered in 0.46

How can people possibly answer that fast? It takes me longer to just read the options.

 

[BrownE]

How can people possibly answer that fast? It takes me longer to just read the options.

Teach, assess and practice First Aid means I know the answer and common mistakes for this.

It's exactly the same (as it's correct) as current first aid guidelines, know the guidelines, know the answer...
Danger
Response (shake shoulders [pain/touch], say something along the lines of "Hello, can you hear me? Open your eyes" [a question and a command])
Shout for Help
Airway (Open it)
Breathing (Look, listen, feel for breathing)
(Call an Ambulance, get an AED)
Start CPR

AEDs have slightly more complex things to say than the clip shows, they do actually tell you where to place pads and there are pictures on (normally) both the pads and the wrapper.

 

[tsr]

AEDs have slightly more complex things to say than the clip shows, they do actually tell you where to place pads and there are pictures on (normally) both the pads and the wrapper.

I'm sure one of the shots of the AED had the pads shown with diagrams on them. It may just be my imagination, though!

 

[ralphchadkirk]

It should have both diagrams and voiced instructions IIRC.
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Just found this: rather relevant to the topic at hand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn__c9JPDLg

 

[carlejo]

Any CPR, even bad is better than none at all..... but you can't beat a defib if it's on hand...... community first responders, leisure centres, shopping malls are more than likely to carry them somewhere in their area

The latest criteria now is to not even give rescue breaths, as the experts/professors claim that chest compressions ALONE(gets the blood pumping through system) is enough, and by doing compressions ONLY that's enough to make the chest move sufficiently to make air move in and out of the lungs.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

No, if you can give rescue breaths you should. But the problem was people didn't want to do rescue breaths and so didn't do compressions either. The BHF campaign was to try and encourage people to do something.

 

[tsr]

No, if you can give rescue breaths you should. But the problem was people didn't want to do rescue breaths and so didn't do compressions either. The BHF campaign was to try and encourage people to do something.

One wonders how effective it would be to teach people the Silvester method, etc.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

One wonders how effective it would be to teach people the Silvester method, etc.

I haven't heard of that before, but reading about it online makes it look quite dubious.

Personally there's no way I'm doing rescue breaths without some form of barrier between them and I. I don't really want their bodily fluids near my face. I can quite understand why other people don't like doing it.

A rather amusing effect of the BHF Vinnie Jones campaign is that a lot of staff at public place arrests were told that they shouldn't be ventilating the patient!

 

[Llanigraham]

As an Instructor for HeartStart Wales, we know teach compression only, unless they want to do the breathes, but stress they are not required, plus most of us locally teach the breathes as "mouth to nose" not "mouth to mouth".

It often easier for the untrained to get a better seal doing it that way, as doing the chin lift closes the mouth, or you can put a hand over it, plus you are far less likely to get puked over!

And how many people realise that a lot of stations and trains are now equipped with AED's even if there is no-one trained to use them.