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VERY strong rumours that Arriva have won, expect an announcement next week for XC and East Coast (VT are favourites for that!)
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Stagecoach gets the East Midlands Franchise
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VERY strong rumours that Arriva have won, expect an announcement next week for XC and East Coast (VT are favourites for that!)
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Yeah I posted about it on Friday ( 7th post above yours)
Here it is
Hope you read this
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Arriva has got the XC and Virgin has the Eastcoast.
Hentis
devon_metro
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That has not been confirmed...
If Arriva do get XC it will be a shambles.
If Arriva do get XC it will be a shambles.
Wow, the DfT must have it in for NEx...either that or their bids must've been really weak.
In defense to Arriva, it will still be same operational staff (for the trains) so diagrams may not even change, they only thing that should be taken note of is the seamless integration of the Citylink routes into the XC network.
In defense to Arriva, it will still be same operational staff (for the trains) so diagrams may not even change, they only thing that should be taken note of is the seamless integration of the Citylink routes into the XC network.
Dennis
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Haven't NEG got Richard Bowker in charge of their railway division now? If he doesn't know what it takes to win a franchise.....
Then again, perhaps there are some sour grapes between DfT and Bowker.
morgantyreman
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Rumors from 5 GNER drives is this
ECML =
40% Stagecoach
40% First
20% Private (shareholders?)
Dont know what it means but 5 drivers have told me it
ECML =
40% Stagecoach
40% First
20% Private (shareholders?)
Dont know what it means but 5 drivers have told me it
AlexS
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Would sound like crap to me - both Stagecoach and First are PLCs so the shareholders are already there!
Arriva getting XC?! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll probably have nightmares tonight!!!!!!!!!
I'll probably have nightmares tonight!!!!!!!!!
Dennis
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Shame Mr Bunker is not with Arriva anymore, I'm sure a return to (some) loco haulage would have happened.
Virgin Drivers were told last week
Hentis
Well one of my mates who works on Virgin services knows nothing about it and it hasnt been confirmed by the DFT yet
devon_metro
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God help us all. 221s on The Valleys and 142s on Penzance-Aberdeen!
Ah good, i werent the only one thinking of that then, same with the W Mids franchise also.
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I was talking to several Retail Services Managers onboard VXC today and none of them knew who had got ther franchise but they all wanted vt (mainly because of the perks they get).
From todays times;
Stagecoach gave notice yesterday that it planned to follow its 20 per cent increase on its South West Trains franchise last month with a substantial increase on the new East Midlands franchise after it takes over in November.
The company plans to raise fares by at least 30 per cent above inflation during the seven-year franchise and indicated that it preferred one big increase early in the contract rather than spreading it over several years.
Stagecoach gave notice yesterday that it planned to follow its 20 per cent increase on its South West Trains franchise last month with a substantial increase on the new East Midlands franchise after it takes over in November.
The company plans to raise fares by at least 30 per cent above inflation during the seven-year franchise and indicated that it preferred one big increase early in the contract rather than spreading it over several years.
ChrisCooper
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Great, but then I don't see it would have been that different whoever had got it. I do wonder though now most franchises are paying a premium where the money is going. It's either being taken by the DfT, or being pumped into a few loss making franchises (probably the Southern 3, since the uneven loadings make them inefficient, due to the need to maintain stock levels that are only worthwhile for a few hours a day, 5 days a week).
Indeed Govia are increasing fares at 25% plus inflation on London Midland over the life of the franchise.
I think you are a bit adrift in your calculations of the biggest loss making franchises, the heaviest subsidy per passenger mile are;
1) Merseyrail
2) Northern
3) First Scotrail
Whilst the souths 3 franchises traditionally had really imbalanced loads this has changed because of road congestion in the south east. Southern had passenger growth of 9.8% last year. I recently had to stand as far as Shoreham by Sea on the 23.07 departure from Victoria (thats 1 hr 20 mins) out of London. I dont mind too much since I get a 34% discount on my HM Forces Railcard but it shows how crowded the Southern Franchises are even off peak.
I think you are a bit adrift in your calculations of the biggest loss making franchises, the heaviest subsidy per passenger mile are;
1) Merseyrail
2) Northern
3) First Scotrail
Whilst the souths 3 franchises traditionally had really imbalanced loads this has changed because of road congestion in the south east. Southern had passenger growth of 9.8% last year. I recently had to stand as far as Shoreham by Sea on the 23.07 departure from Victoria (thats 1 hr 20 mins) out of London. I dont mind too much since I get a 34% discount on my HM Forces Railcard but it shows how crowded the Southern Franchises are even off peak.
ChrisCooper
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The Midland Mainline franchise is being combined with the eastern part of the Central franchise to create the new East Midlands franchise. The western part of Central is combining with the London Lines franchise (Silverlink), and the Citylink part is combining with Cross Country (other than Liverpool to Norwich and Birmingham to Liverpool, which are EM and WM respectivly). It's all part of the stratergy to cut down on the number of TOCs. Even if National Express had got East Midlands it wouldn't have been MML as we know it today, and it's unlikely they would have used the name either since it wouldn't be apropriate for a lot of the network (things like Liverpool to Norwich and Nottingham to Skegness don't exactly fit Midland Mainline).
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