When you die...

[Butts]

What happens to you when you die and why is it very rarely spoken about ?

When do you cease to be a sentinent being ?

When you go to sleep at night how do you know you are going to wake up in the Morning ?

Would be interested to hear other members views of this albeit morbid topic :cry:

 

[Tracked]

When do you cease to be a sentinent being ?

When you move to Rotherham.

Er, probably nothing much happens, so it's very much like Rotherham then.

 

[Butts]

When you move to Rotherham.

Er, probably nothing much happens, so it's very much like Rotherham then.

You've obviously never been to Falkirk !!!

If given the choice would you like to know in advance the day you are going to die on ?

 

[Tracked]

You've obviously never been to Falkirk !!!

If given the choice would you like to know in advance the day you are going to die on ?

Unfortunately, I have, when I went to see the wheel I got off at one station and went back to Edinburgh from the other one

I'd only like to know the day I was going to die if it was a long time away

 

[Buttsy]

If given the choice would you like to know in advance the day you are going to die on ?

That's easy to plan. Drink stupidly the day before and there you have it...

 

[MidnightFlyer]

I'll leave my usual contribution to these sorts of thread:

'I'm not frightened of dying, any time will do, I don't mind. Why should I be frightened of dying? No reason for it, you've got to go sometime.' - Pink Floyd - Great Gig in the Sky.

That said however I wouldn't want to know when it was coming - be it tomorrow, next year or in 70 years' time, I just want it to happen. What I'm more concerned about personally is others dying and the effect mine would have.

As for what happens to you when you do die, I side with Billy Connolly here: '[You go to] The same place you were before you were born - nowhere!'

 

[Butts]

I'll leave my usual contribution to these sorts of thread:

'I'm not frightened of dying, any time will do, I don't mind. Why should I be frightened of dying? No reason for it, you've got to go sometime.' - Pink Floyd - Great Gig in the Sky.

That said however I wouldn't want to know when it was coming - be it tomorrow, next year or in 70 years' time, I just want it to happen. What I'm more concerned about personally is others dying and the effect mine would have.

As for what happens to you when you do die, I side with Billy Connolly here: '[You go to] The same place you were before you were born - nowhere!'

Are you suggesting religion and the "afterlife" is nonsense and just a crutch for people to lean on ?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

If it gives people peace of mind to believe that there is then good for them; I personally believe it's absolute nonsense as I'm positive there is no judgement (e.g. heaven or hell) afterwards to worry about.

 

[Butts]

If it gives people peace of mind to believe that there is then good for them; I personally believe it's absolute nonsense as I'm positive there is no judgement (e.g. heaven or hell) afterwards to worry about.

Would those of a religious persuasion perhaps reverse my argument in your case - ie you have peace of mind to act how you like as there is no judgement day ?

 

[bnm]

What happens to you when you die?

I don't believe in any afterlife malarky. So in a purely scientific sense, a process called autolysis begins almost immediately after death. This is where chemicals, enzymes and anaerobic organisms in the body begin to break down your body tissue. Then putrification sets in, where bacteria breaks down the tissue. These processes will be slowed by embalming before cremation or burial.

If you are buried the putrification process continues and then becomes what is know as active decay where bodily fluids will leach into the surrounding enviroment. You will also be consumed by insects, fungi and possibly burrowing animals.

As the energy contained in your cells cannot be destroyed, if you are buried, the only real afterlife is that given to the other organisms who feast on you.

If you are cremated then that energy is converted to heat.

 

[Butts]

I don't believe in any afterlife malarky. So in a purely scientific sense, a process called autolysis begins almost immediately after death. This is where chemicals, enzymes and anaerobic organisms in the body begin to break down your body tissue. Then putrification sets in, where bacteria breaks down the tissue. These processes will be slowed by embalming before cremation or burial.

If you are buried the putrification process continues and then becomes what is know as active decay where bodily fluids will leach into the surrounding enviroment. You will also be consumed by insects, fungi and possibly burrowing animals.

As the energy contained in your cells cannot be destroyed, if you are buried, the only real afterlife is that given to the other organisms who feast on you.

If you are cremated then that energy is converted to heat.

Thats an explanation of the "mechanics" but what about the emotional side - would you like to know in advance the date of your death ?

 

[bnm]

Thats an explanation of the "mechanics" but what about the emotional side - would you like to know in advance the date of your death ?

As there is no scientific explanation that could give you that information (except if are told someone is going to kill you, or you plan suicide) the question is, in my opinion, moot.

 

[Masbroughlad]

What happens to you when you die and why is it very rarely spoken about ?

When do you cease to be a sentinent being ?

When you go to sleep at night how do you know you are going to wake up in the Morning ?

Would be interested to hear other members views of this albeit morbid topic :cry:

I work in an environment with terminally ill people so we talk about it often! It is something people don't like to talk about, but once people feel more comfortable with it, it is easier......

I think you are aware in some respect right until you breathe your final breath....

Waking up in the morning-if you are a healthy being, your chances are very high, but I guess you never know?!

Main thing is, live for the day, take every opportunity that you can, enjoy the nature around you, spend your efforts doing things that are good with people you love/like and don't get wound up by inconsequential nonsense. (Sorry - don't know where that sidetrack came from!)

Really interesting to read this thread. Out of interest - what provoked it?

 

[daddy_badger]

How would you know that you were dead?

 

[LE Greys]

Personally, I'm with Pascal on this one.

1. "God is, or He is not"
2. A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up.
3. According to reason, you can defend neither of the propositions.
4. You must wager. (It's not optional.)
5. Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.
6. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.

In other words, religion is an insurence policy, and I certainly don't want to find myself hauled in front of the Almighty trying to explain why I thought He did not exist. It might have unfortunate consequences (as in weeping and gnashing of teeth).

As for what I want to happen to my body after I die, I want it to be buried at sea in an active deposition zone. Then there is a vague chance that it might be fossilised, dug up in millions of years and put on display by whatever species takes over from Humans, whether from this world or another.

 

[Broken Viking]

Hail all!

1. What happens to you when you die and
2. why is it very rarely spoken about?
3. When do you cease to be a sentinent being?
4. When you go to sleep at night how do you know you are going to wake up in the Morning?

1. Exactly what happens when we Die (In a Spiritual regard) has been a subject of eternal debate since many aeons before the time of the ancients so I won't go into that here, though I summerise my personal perspective below in answer to your later question.
   
   Suffice to say, I believe one normally arrives at a hospital mortuary first - For a post mortem, if this is felt necessary - Followed by a trip to their family Funeral Director (Or the duty 'Director if they have none) for embalming if required, and preparation for burial or cremation. Whilst in the care of the Funeral Director, the deceased is normally kept in a sanitary morgue and should be treated with due care and respect at all times between then and the date/time of the Funeral.
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2. Many people prefer to avoid the subject of Death and the afterlife (According to their beliefs) as it is a very final and unpleasant subject for the majority. However those who are involved in the Funeral industry and some others (Myself, for example) normally find themselves relieved of such reservation, due to it being a part of their everyday lives.
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3. I believe - In the medical sense - That this would be regarded the time where all electrical activity in the brain has ceased, or dropped to levels too low to be measured. However from a Spiritual perspective, the deceased continues to live on - They've simply ceased to inhabit that specific body.
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4. You do not - You merely expect to. This is normally the case, although I myself lost a good friend recently (Who was only 21) who passed away in slumber.

If given the choice would you like to know in advance the day you are going to die on?

In my case, that would be a definite Aye - Whether my own passing be in thirty years, or thirty minutes. Knowing the confirmed and verifiable date, time and place of my Death in advance would give me the foresight and knowledge to ensure that I can wish all of my family and friends proper farewells in person, that my Funeral is booked and arranged by my own hand and in keeping with my personal wishes, and it would also allow me to cut out a lot of the messy post-mortem business such as settling debts, distributing my estate, and reporting the Death.

However I should also point out that this is my personal preference and standpoint (Most likely driven by my having Aspergers' Syndrome) and that most peoples mindset tends toward the opposite.

Are you suggesting religion and the "afterlife" is nonsense and just a crutch for people to lean on ?

If it gives people peace of mind to believe that there is then good for them; I personally believe it's absolute nonsense as I'm positive there is no judgement (e.g. heaven or hell) afterwards to worry about.

I'm quasi-religious myself - I follow Northern Tradition¹ - And thus I seek for my Spirit to cross Bifrost and reside in Asgard once my time here is done...Though sadly I doubt greatly that my acts in this lifetime shall ever grant myself a place in the Halls of Valhöll.
¹ - This is a branch of Indo-European Paganism and can be summerised as "The Viking ideal". It's nothing to do with absent PF regulations and overzealous RPOs!

Belief/nonbelief in the happenings after ones life however is a highly personal thing, and in my mind there is no "right" or "wrong" in this area. The beliefs of any specific person - Whether they subscribe to a major religion, minor religion, no religion, or refute religion entirely - Are entirely right for them, and that is what matters.

Would be interested to hear other members views of this albeit morbid topic :cry:

I'm generally free and open with my views on the subject where appropriate, and I pray that my posting here has not unwittingly caused any unsettlement or distress.

Noting the emoticon that you have placed at the end of that line however, I will also add the following links here just in case ye have any need of them:

• Cruse Bereavement Care
• The Samaritans
• Bereavement UK

Hope this has provided some useful information!

 

[12CSVT]

Maybe this is what happens

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The moral of this is don't invite the grim reaper into your home

 

[bnm]

No. The moral is: Don't have the Salmon Mousse.

 

[90019]

What happens to you when you die and why is it very rarely spoken about ?

would you like to know in advance the date of your death ?

No.

In other words, religion is an insurence policy, and I certainly don't want to find myself hauled in front of the Almighty trying to explain why I thought He did not exist. It might have unfortunate consequences (as in weeping and gnashing of teeth).

Surely by only believing 'just in case', you make it worse because you're doing it to make sure you get to the right place, rather than because you truly believe?

 

[LE Greys]

Surely by only believing 'just in case', you make it worse because you're doing it to make sure you get to the right place, rather than because you truly believe?

I don't know what to believe, and I struggle with this every day. Pascal just summed it up very effectively.

 

[Oswyntail]

I don't know, you don't know, Richard Dawkins doesn't know. Some of us have beliefs (different from knowledge).

 

[Clip]

When I die you will hear the walking away music from the end of The Hulk. Then you'll know ive passed.

 

[Nym]

Since we're already low enough, how many evenings / mornings has one, and others gone to sleep wishing they'd never wake up?

 

[90019]

Since we're already low enough, how many evenings / mornings has one, and others gone to sleep wishing they'd never wake up?

Too many.

 

[Clip]

Since we're already low enough, how many evenings / mornings has one, and others gone to sleep wishing they'd never wake up?

A fair few when I was sufferring but now, no matter how miserable I may be, on here or at work, I realise that the next day is a new day and could be the best day of your life for ever more to come.

I dont really waste my time thinking about bad things too much anymore.

 

[Spaceflower]

Too many.

Never, but I spend an ever increasing amount of time wondering if I will.

 

[carriageline]

No afterlife, I used to think what actually happens, you spend years seeing things, smelling things, hearing things, then one day, nothing? Do you sit in darkness forever? Stupid I know.

Best way to put it, do you remember what it was like before you was in your mummy's tummy? Well it's gonna be exactly like that

 

[Butts]

I work in an environment with terminally ill people so we talk about it often! It is something people don't like to talk about, but once people feel more comfortable with it, it is easier......

I think you are aware in some respect right until you breathe your final breath....

Waking up in the morning-if you are a healthy being, your chances are very high, but I guess you never know?!

Main thing is, live for the day, take every opportunity that you can, enjoy the nature around you, spend your efforts doing things that are good with people you love/like and don't get wound up by inconsequential nonsense. (Sorry - don't know where that sidetrack came from!)

Really interesting to read this thread. Out of interest - what provoked it?

I was filling out some Life Insurance forms !!

 

[maniacmartin]

Personally, I'm with Pascal on this one.

I'm not convinced by Pascal sadly. By the same logic we should buy lottery tickets because, hey, you never know you might just win. Religious activities take time, and time is money as they say I don't believe that the odds are high enough to make this a bet worth investing my time in.

Also, there are many gods from many worldwide religions. Which one is real? Should I invest my time and effort in all of them? Some of them consider it a sin to believe in others, so this might come back to bite me! Finally, some religious texts consider it a sin to pretend to believe when you truly don't.

So I'll take my chances, and do nothing

 

[bb21]

Since we're already low enough, how many evenings / mornings has one, and others gone to sleep wishing they'd never wake up?

Erm, none.

However difficult things are, there will be people who care about you. How can you leave them to grieve and suffer the inevitable guilt they will feel? (That's my line of reasoning anyway.)

As to what happens after we die, well since people like me are going to hell anyway (or at least that's what some people, including the pope, told me, provided that afterlife really does exist) so might as well enjoy this life.

Luckily I am allowed to rely on the Buddhist theory so be a kind person and reincarnation into a human being (and better) in the next life awaits.