Travel Warrents - do they expire?

[wintonian]

As in the title really do travel warrants have to be used with in a certain time limit?

 

[RJ]

As in the title really do travel warrants have to be used with in a certain time limit?

Warrants are supposed to be used exactly how the issuer filled them out. It would otherwise be foolhardy to give blank warrants out.

Rail Travel Vouchers also have to be used within the specified validity period.
It's at the issuer's discretion whether they wish to re-issue unused, expired vouchers.

 

[wintonian]

Warrants are supposed to be used exactly how the issuer filled them out. It would otherwise be foolhardy to give blank warrants out.

Rail Travel Vouchers also have to be used within the specified validity period.
It's at the issuer's discretion whether they wish to re-issue unused, expired vouchers.

But lets suppose someone was given a blank but signed warrant.

and no I do not intend to use such a warrant before you all jump in and tell me how dishonest I'm being and should therefore be convicted of fraud and sent to prison.

 

[RJ]

But lets suppose someone was given a blank but signed warrant.

and no I do not intend to use such a warrant before you all jump in and tell me how dishonest I'm being and should therefore be convicted of fraud and sent to prison.

Whatever details are written on the warrant is exactly how the ticket the warrant is exchanged for must be issued. This means the ticket(s) must be issued from the date(s) shown on the warrant. There is no open period of validity for a warrant, other than the date(s) shown when it is presented in exchange for a ticket.

 

[island]

Another interesting warrant fact is that the company whose warrant it is must pay irrespective of the signature appearing on the warrant!

 

[SickyNicky]

Another interesting warrant fact is that the company whose warrant it is must pay irrespective of the signature appearing on the warrant!

Correct. If we were to lose one of our warrant books we would be liable for all tickets purchased, even expensive first class tickets from one end of the country to another. So we keep them under lock and key.

 

[wintonian]

Whatever details are written on the warrant is exactly how the ticket the warrant is exchanged for must be issued. This means the ticket(s) must be issued from the date(s) shown on the warrant. There is no open period of validity for a warrant, other than the date(s) shown when it is presented in exchange for a ticket.

Well the one I recently found amongst my possessions is undated only signed, so I guess then in theory it's still usable.

Correct. If we were to lose one of our warrant books we would be liable for all tickets purchased, even expensive first class tickets from one end of the country to another. So we keep them under lock and key.

That would explain why one a upon-a-time when a book went for a walk the local station was given a list of authorised signatures by the organisation that lost it.

But what if such an organisation no longer has an account and a warrens is presented at the station?

 

[trentside]

But what if such an organisation no longer has an account and a warrens is presented at the station?

In the event, a brief would be issued advising staff that the account is no longer open but a book appears to be in fraudulent use - normally after one is presented. If staff were aware the warrant account is closed then the warrant would be withdrawn, and not exchanged for a ticket.

 

[wintonian]

In the event, a brief would be issued advising staff that the account is no longer open but a book appears to be in fraudulent use - normally after one is presented. If staff were aware the warrant account is closed then the warrant would be withdrawn, and not exchanged for a ticket.

That makes sense - though I would suggest there's a bit of horse, stable, bolt if such a warrant needs to be exchanged first.

 

[trentside]

That makes sense - though I would suggest there's a bit of horse, stable, bolt if such a warrant needs to be exchanged first.

I must admit that I'm not sure of the formal process when a company ceases to have a warrant account - but I'd imagine under normal circumstances they return their unused warrant books, so it doesn't become a problem. It's only an issue when this isn't done or a rouge book escapes into circulation.

 

[Zoidberg]

I must admit that I'm not sure of the formal process when a company ceases to have a warrant account - but I'd imagine under normal circumstances they return their unused warrant books, so it doesn't become a problem. It's only an issue when this isn't done or a rouge book escapes into circulation.

I'm left wondering what's so special about rouge coloured ones.

Sorry, could not resist. I know that you meant rogue

 

[Gemz91]

I've come across a passenger I suspected of using stolen warrents. When I say stolen, I got the impression she was abusing her position at work (can't remember what the warrent said on it now), but had the feeling she was writting out warrents for herself to get to work and back two or three times a week.

Suppose she wasn't defrading the railways, as the fare would be met by her company, but I suspected she was stealing from her company. Anyway, I reported her to control and my manager, which was as much as I could do. Whether anything came of the matter or not I'll never know.

 

[John @ home]

I'd imagine under normal circumstances they return their unused warrant books, so it doesn't become a problem.

I'm a former rail travel warrant book holder. My recollection is that, when a book was no longer required, the instructions were to destroy unused warrants locally.

 

[wintonian]

I'm a former rail travel warrant book holder. My recollection is that, when a book was no longer required, the instructions were to destroy unused warrants locally.

I suppose why should the TOC care what happens to them if the account holder is liable - we'll take your money and leave you with the responsibility.

 

[island]

In the event, a brief would be issued advising staff that the account is no longer open but a book appears to be in fraudulent use - normally after one is presented. If staff were aware the warrant account is closed then the warrant would be withdrawn, and not exchanged for a ticket.

I don't suppose a TIS might be intelligent enough to be configured to reject the warrant numbers in question?