Donny Dave
Established Member
Yes it's slow. It takes an hour more compared to the ECML to get from London to Doncaster.
The reason is that Rail-Gourmet was ***closed***. This doesn't mean they wouldn't give us food, it means they were shut, doors locked, no-one there, lights switched off and all that... so we couldn't get anything.
4 northbound on Saturday evenings (only 2 on weekdays as the other 2 go via Bolton-on-Dearn, avoiding Doncaster). The 17:40 is the second through Leeds service (16:25, 18:25 and 19:25 are the others). There are less southbound (one runs ECS from Leeds instead).But doesn't MML only operate 2 trains a day onto the ECML
It must vary from train to train because I asked for a bacon sandwich just north of Stevenage on the 08:15 from London on Saturday and they had already ran out!Are there not as many fridges on MML buffet cars as on GNER ones? GNER seem to have huge stocks of food, there must have been at least 10 bacon sandwiches on the Hull Executive yesterday morning, plus all the other types of sandwich! Regarding the limits on food, I suppose that's what you get for using a big company like Rail-Gourmet. If food was sourced from smaller companies like on GNER you would be able to order as much as you want. The fact that Rail-Gourmet was closed at St Pancras really meant that MML was stuffed!
Question though, why can't Rail-Gourmet have a local supply depot at Leicester? Surely this would make perfect sense and allow for stocking en-route, because if you can only stock your London-Leeds train at the start of the journey, it's clearly going to run out of food very quickly!
It must vary from train to train because I asked for a bacon sandwich just north of Stevenage on the 08:15 from London on Saturday and they had already ran out!
Wow-fGW not being ripped in this thread![]()
Reliability - loads of trains on lease that are not needed, paid for at taxpayers (and ECML users) expense because of a SRA/MML blunder.It's funny how whilst MML are great on reliability and punctuality ...
Tbh all this hoo haa is rather not needed.
Appears to be helping though!Reliability - loads of trains on lease that are not needed, paid for at taxpayers (and ECML users) expense because of a SRA/MML blunder.
I've had that at stevenage even after ther train was late at doncaster.Punctuality - if GNER timetabled their trains to wait here, there and everywhere for 5-10 mins they'd easily match MML for reliability.
Going up north was 83mph the other day. Coming back at 65mph still beats One Railway. What's this obsession with speed anyway? The weakest link was having to go between London terminals.So they're only "good" at things that they really should be good at - for the simple fact is they're lucky at the outcome of the rolling stock fiasco and they are able to get away with average timetabled speeds of around 60mph because they do not serve a long distance market.
One day their luck may run out and they'll be exposed for the poor TOC they are, like Central.
One day their luck may run out and they'll be exposed for the poor TOC they are, like Central.
Not harsh enough.
Frankly it's more interesting than some of the things you talk about - at least it has produced some decent discussion!
As for Memorex, do you suddenly have a full time job with MML? The continual 'we' is confusing!
Getting in someone's way for a few weeks doesn't make you part of the organisation!
Woah calm down mate!
I was just saying you asked and you got answers, I've seen other threads that had the same then got locked or deleted...
Now that someone's mentioned FGW, under this subject of buffet catering, Is it me, or are the bacon rolls, and breakfast rolls on FGW disgusting or what?!
What annoys me even more though, is that they could easily freshly make one in the buffet's kitchen, which would be good.
I personally think that the bacon rolls available from VXC on a Voyager (yes, from a shop which is tiny compared to the HST buffet!) are far superior and better tasting than the FGW crap.
I would imagine there was no travelling chef on board.
I personally find Voyager catering awful. I was once on the 1002 Paignton-Manchester and there was no WATER until Bristol!!!
I would imagine there was no travelling chef on board.
I personally find Voyager catering awful. I was once on the 1002 Paignton-Manchester and there was no WATER until Bristol!!!
VWC on their Pendo's offer the best food IMO
That's unlucky about the water then. At least VT was able to top it up just over an hour into the journey, so that they had water for the majority of the journey- unlike the original MML example, where they were unable to take stock at St Pancras.
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At least someone agrees with my opinion that VT catering's very good!
I've never really used the shop on Pendos really, as I've only ever travelled FC on them, and not yet standard.
I do find it annoying that VT can't just have an at-seat drinks service in FC on the weekend, especially when Pendos have the kitchen available, and it also means that I have to walk down an often very busy, cramped 390.
Having said that, FGW only offer biscuits on weekdays and no proper complimentary food/sandwhiches, but thats another subject/story.