Passengers boarding without allowing people off first

[D2022]

Prevent I've noticed of late how the general population have an amazing power.

To be able to move closer and closer to train doors whilst still letting people off I think it's amazing if I'm honest. How close have all you guys managers to get or seen someone get without actually blocking the door way?

On a tangent London business men are the complete opposite, they actually make it their job to prevent you getting off the train without getting their Costa coffee all over your front. Had one bloke today actually open the door, tell me to move back inside so he could get on and find a seat as hoards of us were trying to alight. Needless to say he found himself parked on his bottom on the platform after I gave him a quick shove. Oops.

 

[455driver]

Had one bloke today actually open the door, tell me to move back inside so he could get on and find a seat as hoards of us were trying to alight. Needless to say he found himself parked on his bottom on the platform after I gave him a quick shove. Oops.

Good lad, I am from the same school of thought.

Many I time when travelling as pass to pick up my train I will just stand in the doorway with my drivers bag swinging in front of me until the ignorant "commuters" move out the way very quickly, I am polite though because I say "thank you" as I get off!

 

[Tomonthetrain]

They're actually committing a byelaw offence

 

[90019]

People who barge their way onto my bus get ignored until everybody getting off has done so.

 

[D2022]

They're actually committing a byelaw offence

What byelaw is that? I've seen officers (BTP) ignore people do it. I'm glad there is one though, makes life easier when they are in the wrong.

 

[Eagle]

What byelaw is that? I've seen officers (BTP) ignore people do it. I'm glad there is one though, makes life easier when they are in the wrong.

Byelaw 10.1:

No person shall enter through any train door until any person leaving by that door has passed through.

Also 10.5 is one to take note of:

In the case of automatic closing doors, no person shall enter or leave by the door when it is closing.

 

[D2022]

Byelaw 10.1:



Also 10.5 is one to take note of:

Ah thank you for that I never even knew they existed

 

[Tomonthetrain]

Yes and can be used

 

[table38]

When I've stood aside to let people off, and had someone push past me and onto the train, I often wonder what they thought I was doing standing there.

To be fair, another possibility springs to mind, but then the inevitable question is - should I use my powers of invisibility for good or for evil?

 

[Buttsy]

Talking of shoving, recently I was in the vestible heading to Severn Tunnel Junction and a lady of around 50-60 came through from the car before we had arrived. I made sure I had all my things with me and moved slightly towards the door as we slowed, ending up slightly ahead of her. Others by the door stood back and the bloke by the door opened it and this lady shoved me out of the way as her egress became free, despite the fact that I was also leaving the train.

The one thing that gets me is that she looked (and I know this is prejudging her and I have nothing to back this statement up) like the sort that would moan about teh lack of respect shown by people today...

 

[LE Greys]

People who barge their way onto my bus get ignored until everybody getting off has done so.

I hope that wasn't me. The number of times I've automatically jumped on buses only to be surprised by someone being a bit slow getting off/coming down the stairs/otherwise appearing from outside my field of view. I usually have to jump back off or flatten myself against the windscreen.

Apologies to anyone I've blocked.

 

[90019]

I hope that wasn't me. The number of times I've automatically jumped on buses only to be surprised by someone being a bit slow getting off/coming down the stairs/otherwise appearing from outside my field of view. I usually have to jump back off or flatten myself against the windscreen.

That I don't mind, since almost all of our buses are single door, it can be easily done when there are people being a bit slow.
It's the ones who deliberately force their way past people trying to get off just so they can be on the bus a bit quicker that I ignore.

I also dislike people who wait until the very last second to decide they want off, or occasionally, wait until you shut the doors before suddenly appearing at the front of the bus wanting off. :roll:

 

[LE Greys]

When I've stood aside to let people off, and had someone push past me and onto the train, I often wonder what they thought I was doing standing there.

To be fair, another possibility springs to mind, but then the inevitable question is - should I use my powers of invisibility for good or for evil?

Does getting some Royal Train mileage count as evil?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I am sure that I have seen a forum signature of one of our forum members that specifically addresses the issue of this thread....can't remember who, though

 

[D2022]

I've noticed lately with a bike actually getting off a unit is an issue sometimes, take Friday. I got on a service to Westbury with my BMX as usual, get to Westbury and the usual line has formed in the aisle, being sensible people on foot get off then I do. Except, pax on the platform then barged onto the train with my bike still half blocking the door.
I got some abuse for it and I damn well have some back to the pax trying to get on.

My point it, why don't dispatch staff keep people away from the doors, and more so the still moving slowly train? Then allow them to fight their way on.

I get the issue all the time at Swindon with these toff idiots who go to London thinking they own the place. Last one who tried got shoved out the door onto the floor after he opened the door and tried to board without letting anyone off:roll:

 

[Kilted_Scot]

Happpens all the time everywhere, unfortunately all the sheep follow each other and are desperate to find that elusive seat firtst! Take no prisoners and barge!

 

[D2022]

Haha fair comment kilted_scot, I might be small but I stand my ground when needed.

 

[yorkie]

Yes, there are several threads about this (you may recall you created one last month so I've merged them! ).

They are committing a byelaw offence by doing this.

I will robustly alight from the train. If you have a bike with you then let's just say that if the bike is being pushed firmly then anyone who tries to barge past you to get on is going to have to barge past a handlebar which isn't as easy for them as barging past a person.

 

[Wolfie]

I've noticed lately with a bike actually getting off a unit is an issue sometimes, take Friday. I got on a service to Westbury with my BMX as usual, get to Westbury and the usual line has formed in the aisle, being sensible people on foot get off then I do. Except, pax on the platform then barged onto the train with my bike still half blocking the door.
I got some abuse for it and I damn well have some back to the pax trying to get on.

My point it, why don't dispatch staff keep people away from the doors, and more so the still moving slowly train? Then allow them to fight their way on.

I get the issue all the time at Swindon with these toff idiots who go to London thinking they own the place. Last one who tried got shoved out the door onto the floor after he opened the door and tried to board without letting anyone off:roll:

I know such behaviour is irritating BUT knocking someone to the floor almost certainly constitutes assault and were the person to be hurt and press charges you would likely find yourself in court.

 

[Matt Taylor]

Try being a guard in peak hours, they start barging past me preventing me from stepping on to the platform to open the rest of the doors.

We need markings like these on the platforms:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40172673@N03/8241508552/in/photostream

 

[yorkie]

I know such behaviour is irritating BUT knocking someone to the floor almost certainly constitutes assault and were the person to be hurt and press charges you would likely find yourself in court.

Without being there it's impossible to say either way, but my experience of this sort of situation is that it's the passengers who are committing the byelaw offence who are barging themselves ONTO the train who are clearly at fault.

No-one should do a deliberate barge at people getting on under such circumstances, but I do not see anything wrong in standing your ground or robustly making your way to the exit and not giving way to their barge.

You have to be prepared when alighting at York on a Saturday night if you're on a GC/TPE service heading towards certain areas that can accurately be described as dumps where drunken louts in their droves escape to York for a night out (and if you think I am exaggerating, you've not seen it! I was warned about it by a guard on this forum and a friendly GC guard, but nothing prepares you for it until you see it). Put it this way, if the train is heading North out of York, you're OK if it's going to Scarborough, you're probably OK if it's going to Newcastle (depending on football perhaps) but if it's going anywhere else then expect resistance...
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Try being a guard in peak hours, they start barging past me preventing me from stepping on to the platform to open the rest of the doors.

Yes, this confirms my experience of this. I understand you have to be more careful, being on duty, but when someone does that, I won't just let them barge without standing my ground. MUCH easier with a bike, wider handlebars especially.

We need markings like these on the platforms:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40172673@N03/8241508552/in/photostream

Good idea, could be implemented on routes with common stock (e.g. Crossrail could be done like this)

 

[GodAtum]

I get blocked by people standing in 1st class on the 377s. Because people move into the doorway to allow standard class passengers to alight they block the 1st class exit!

 

[chris89]

A lot of the time when i have been on a train it has been fine.

Although Wolverhampton is quite hell for it. Getting off a VT Service from Edinburgh they all crowd around the doors trying to get on first, whilst just stand in the middle with carry bag to the side.

The 350s, 323s seem to mostly be alright apart from when people completely crowd the doors stopping you from getting off.

Buses are hell in my area at least. Most people will wait to allow you off first, but some minor numbers of older generations or some mothers with prams try to get on first then cause hell for people attempting to get off the bus.

Chris

 

[Tomonthetrain]

Sometimes on the tube its like a rugby game

 

[Chapeltom]

I'm getting increasing annoyed with it and anyone who doesn't notice me, at 6ft with a laptop bag on will be told to shift. I now often get off with the intention of shoulder barging especially at Manchester Picc platform 13. Anyone who tells I'm being rude is told "Your in the bloody way". Yes, let me off and expect a smile. Stand in my way, expect me to be grumpy.

 

[Mojo]

I find this to be a problem mainly outside London. Occasionally when it does happen in London it is typically off-peak and worse at weekends.

 

[Lrd]

I am sure that I have seen a forum signature of one of our forum members that specifically addresses the issue of this thread....can't remember who, though

YorkshireBear

 

[455driver]

We need markings like these on the platforms:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40172673@N03/8241508552/in/photostream

Yeah they work really well at Clapham jn P10, the commuters just stand in the "keep clear" markings because they know* that is where the doors will be.

* except when I am in a bad mood and will let the train run 8 feet past the mark.

 

[Class172]

Recently at Worcester Foregate Street, a few minutes before the 1624 service to Birmingham New Street is due to arrive, someone will come on the station intercom and say "Please stand well behind the yellow lines and move towards the centre of the platform, as this train is today only formed of 2 carriages." Now there are two aspects of this I find funny: the first more obvious one is that as soon as the train arrives, everyone bunches around the train doors; but secondly the train has been formed of two coaches for the past 4 years! Does the guy think it's recently changed? All the commuters know it's only 2 coaches as it is a class 150 packed to the rafters.

Personally I allow people to alight the train easily but a certain pupil in my year who also gets that train knows no such manners, and it annoys me so much - they used to dash for a table when the service was operated by a 170, but now it's a 150, the problem seems to have lessened.

 

[SteveP29]

Happened to me on Friday at Newcastle. I was last in the queue to get off at the doors at the end of my coach. Girl in front of me had a suitcase to pick up from the luggage rack, she also had to move another case to get hers. Obviously the queue moved out of the coach as she was collecting her case. Those milling around the platform in a swarm thought that was it and started getting on. I was pushed to one side by a man who had boarded on the next coach and come through the connecting door so ended up in front of the girl with the suitcase.
I wasn't about to make myself stand until everyone was on the train, so I pushed them back out and was tripped as I stepped onto the platform. I stood and made sure that nobody could get onto the train until the girl with the suitcase was able to get off.
The looks I was getting were priceless, in the mould of 'what the f**k is he doing?'