ticket conditions changed this morning flint

[Wirral]

this morning i was looking on trainline and red spotted hanky tickets from London to flint leaving London Friday and returning monday. it showed on the mobile sites that an off peak return was allowed arriving into London before 10am. did not show on full website only mobile sites.normal rule is only a train arriving after 10am is allowed on an off peak return

 

[tamesidedepot]

this might help:

http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/assets/pdf/announcements/off-peak-time-change-january-2012.pdf


first off-peak is the 0655 from Holyhead - 0816 at Flint, arriving Euston at 1038

 

[calc7]

Any chance you were including a railcard discount?

The validity code is by trains time to arrive in London at or after 1000.

 

[island]

Virgin allows most Railcard-discounted off-peak tickets to be used on any train as long as all travel is with them, hence the above question.

 

[Wirral]

on the mobile trainline app it shows i can return on the trains before 10 with no railcard selected. i would book one but i can not see the option for seat reservation. don't fancy explaining this to a guard. they must be playing around with the it in the background. i was hoping the rules might of being relaxed to help the passenger but that never happens in the real world.

 

[John @ home]

An Off-Peak Return London Terminals - Flint is restricted at Euston:

You may travel on any train that is scheduled to depart London Euston before 04:30 and at or after 09:05, but not valid on the 16:10.

You may travel on any train that is scheduled to arrive London Euston before 04:30 and at or after 10:00.

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/pdfs/SVR_VN.pdf

 

[island]

on the mobile trainline app it shows i can return on the trains before 10 with no railcard selected. i would book one but i can not see the option for seat reservation. don't fancy explaining this to a guard. they must be playing around with the it in the background. i was hoping the rules might of being relaxed to help the passenger but that never happens in the real world.

No mystery. The conditions of a Flint to London Terminals Off-Peak Return (and also a London Terminals to Flint Off-Peak Return) are that you may travel southbound on a train timed to arrive at London Euston before 0430 or at or after 1000. Northbound you may travel on a train timed to depart before 0430 or at or after 0905, but not on the 1610 service. There is no break of journey permitted on the outbound portion.

This has been the rule for quite some time, so there has been no relaxation and no playing around in the background

I wouldn't be bothering with thetrainline, not least because it is almost always more expensive than booking directly with the train company you're using.

 

[Wirral]

trainline and red spotted hankey work on different rules showing different allowed routes in some situations, so worth looking at both. If I could of bought an off peak return arriving before 9am then I would of gladly paid the booking fee. Nothing has changed unfortunately just a mobile site giving some unusual results

 

[island]

Could have and would have, please, not of.

It is a point of quite some debate here as to whether an invalid route/time/etc. is validated by an itinerary and reservations on a train which could not properly be used. The general consensus is it can, but you could spend some time arguing with TOC staff about it and could end up getting an excess or Unpaid Fares Notice which you would have to spend time getting refunded/cancelled.

 

[Jeni]

Could have and would have, please, not of.

Did you consider how rude that sounded before you posted it?


If I have a ticket that was sold to me for a particular train on a particular day, only to be told on the day that it's not valid, good luck to the person that tries to get extra money out of me!

 

[34D]

Did you consider how rude that sounded before you posted it?

Whether rude or not, I applaud island for correcting the bad grammar.

If I have a ticket that was sold to me for a particular train on a particular day, only to be told on the day that it's not valid, good luck to the person that tries to get extra money out of me!

You realise of course that because of the way our two-tier legal system works, that the scenario could well occur where two parties have entered into a contract yet the ticket is 'invalid' which would invoke a violation of the byelaws - though I would expect that common sense would take over, in reality.

 

[Deerfold]

Did you consider how rude that sounded before you posted it?

The forum rules do ask people to take reasonable care about their writing - http://railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=27358 says:

All contributions should be readable and understandable. You should make reasonable efforts to use legible fonts and correct spelling, punctuation and grammar in all your contributions.

It's one of the things I like about this forum that it has fewer examples of poor spelling and grammar than many (though there's still plenty of errors, usually "'s" in plurals and "it's" instead of "its") - there's one I read for information but cringe every time I use it. I'm keen for this forum to stay that way.

 

[Oscar]

trainline and red spotted hankey work on different rules showing different allowed routes in some situations, so worth looking at both.

True, but remember that sites such as Virgin Trains and currently any First TOC use TheTrainline's booking system but don't charge a booking fee.