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Fire service delivers water for steam train

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From The Maidenhead Advertiser:
http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/News/Areas/Maidenhead/Train-runs-out-of-steam-23092012.htm

Firefighters were called to Maidenhead train station in the early hours of this morning to fill up a steam train which had run out of water.

The Brittania, which was on platform four, had been diverted from its normal journey from Cardiff to Southall because of rail works.

The diversion meant the train had run out of water and had to make an unexpected stop-off at the train station which is not normally part of its route.

Maidenhead fire service sent an engine at 2.30am to deliver the 1,500 gallons of water as a paid-for service.

Fireman of three and a half years, Michael Lovegrove, from High Wycombe, said he has never attended anything like this before.

He said: "It was a very strange call. I have not heard of it happening before and neither had any of our team. It was quite interesting though."

The cost of the service is not yet known.

Anyone know which route it usually takes?
 
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I would point out that this working would not have a route that it “usually takes” in the context of being a repeat performance, as this would have been a one-off light engine move to return “Britannia” to Southall after it had worked the “Welshman” tour. Also according to the uksteam.info site, the move should have been from Poole, where the railtour originated and terminated, not Cardiff (Where the tour ran to) and “Britannia” was meant to have been piloted by a diesel loco.

The route and times that this working was booked for are shown below, taken from the uksteam.info site:

5Z84
Poole d 22:20 70000 ECS
Poole sdgs a 22:22

Poole sdgs d 22:45 Diesel ECS+70000
Poole 22:48
Bournemouth 23:01
Brockenhurst 23:23
Southampton 23:43
Eastleigh 23:55
Winchester 00:03
Basingstoke 00:31
Reading 00:55
Slough 01:19
Southall GL a 01:34
d 01:38
Southall WCRC a 01:40
 

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It's always been a problem since BR rid itself of all it's water stanchions. Not that we should have expected them to maintain them for a non-existent steam fleet, but they were removed rather hastily.
 

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I can't help but laugh as because of the recent weather couldn't they just got out a few buckets :D
 

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I take this, being a commercial and a non-emergency task, would be subject to a charge being made by the Fire Service concerned to the organisers of the railtour.
It would have been the Train Opeating Company that would have been charged, and they would have probably have in turn charged it to Network Rail.
 

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It would have been the Train Operating Company that would have been charged, and they would have probably have in turn charged it to Network Rail.

Thanks for that. If it was "Britannia" that was the steam locomotive involved as was stated in another posting, which of the Train Operating Companies will be the one to which you refer in your posting.
 

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When steam comes to colchester they have a private fire water tender. I assume from a works, no name on it but painted red parks in the bus park and they run the big 3" hoses under the fence and fill the tender from the bottom I assume there ia a not return valve
 

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Must have been worrying for the crew wondering at what point they had to drop the fire while they waited or maybe they still had enough water on board to keep in light steam.
Anyway non event
The fire service get used on regular basis to shift water comercially for various jobs or paid for cover and its training for the crew , if a genuine shout came in, i am sure they would just break off.
Shame though as it is just another arrow for the anti steam brigade
 

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Did you actually read the article?

If, by that comment, you refer to the short article in the first posting on this thread with a comment by fireman Michael Lovegrove, yes I did. I did make a posting # 8 as a matter of clarification, to which I was kindly given a reply to.

Not all forum members are fully knowledgeable about how steam locomotives on railtours these days may require emergency service provision, so whilst it might have been a somewhat trite query that was raised in the eyes of someone well-versed in these matters, it was basically an attempt by me as a non-cognoscenti to elucidate some knowledge on this matter.
 
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Paul,

Sorry for upsetting you, and for the record I didn't consider your post to be trite. Trust me, I am very far from being fully knowledgeable about anything, certainly the provision of water to steam railtours. My point was that the question which you raise in post 4 is covered (twice) within the article linked in post 1.

TOTD
 

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Must have been worrying for the crew wondering at what point they had to drop the fire while they waited or maybe they still had enough water on board to keep in light steam.
Anyway non event
The fire service get used on regular basis to shift water comercially for various jobs or paid for cover and its training for the crew , if a genuine shout came in, i am sure they would just break off.
Shame though as it is just another arrow for the anti steam brigade

Sounds like another case of the media dramatising a simple enough event to me...
 

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I can assure they do, though earning some money for carrying out a private industry job helps, a very little, toward to the massive cuts imposed by the ConDems. Of course when your local station closes you may have a different view.
 

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Given that some individuals own redundant fire engines, this sounds like a way for one of them (with some imagination) could earn the price of diesel to keep it on the road.

The thought of one enthusiast helping another has a certain quality that appeals to me :D
 

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You are correct..

Most firemen have 2 or 3 jobs to make up for the boredom of filling steam trains with water every day. :D

And retire at 50 on a Full Pension , and if they are higher up the scale get taken back on in a consultancy roll :lol:

To be fair they do have to risk life and limb on occasions.
 

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To be fair they do have to risk life and limb on occasions.

I've always thought it takes a special sort of person (and I am very pleased that they exist!) to voluntarily run into a burning building.
 

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Have you any knowledge what the charge for commercially performing this task might have been....just out of sheer interest ?

Not for this service, sorry. However, North Wales F&RS suggest that the hire of a water tender would be £374.30 + £23.40 for each member of staff.
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I can assure they do, though earning some money for carrying out a private industry job helps, a very little, toward to the massive cuts imposed by the ConDems. Of course when your local station closes you may have a different view.

Given that only 8% of 999 calls go to the Fire Service, and they are able to sleep and use their own gym on station, they do have the time for these sorts of things.

I'm very much in support of the fire service - they do an excellent job, but let's not pretend they are rushed off their feet.
 

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Indeed they do not have incidents filling all their time, but have to a great deal of training and are involved in community and fire safety work, testing equipment and many other mundane tasks - most of which support their operational effectiveness. Gyms on stations are required as the Ff has to maintain a high level of fitness, during work time. The 'sleep on duty' i because many night shifts are in excess of 12 hours and so they have to be allowed to take a sleep rest - by law. However many FRS no longer have beds and have rest chairs instead. There is, of course, not a lot of practical training, fire safety etc that can be done at 01:00 to 06:00......

Only 8% of 999 calls go to the FRS? True, or not, this is not a statistic of any value. If I point out that many of the highly intelligent public ring the Police to report a Fire, which Police then forward to the FRS and people often ring Police and Ambulance to report/ask for the most ridiculous things (such as my pizza hasn't been delivered) and the FRS rarely get such calls then the number of calls by percentage makes even less point!

On the point of people with 'preserved' fire engines, yes they could do this, but they would have to have entered into a licence agreement with the water company to extract water from town's hydrants. The FRS have this already and are legitimate enterprises for the purposes of issuing invoices.

In conclusion I should say that filling a steam loco's tender/tank is not something that a public service should be doing, unless paid to do so. Around £500 is the likely amount, as someone has already stated. I value this as a way of keeping a crew available, watch out you are about to lose 25% of your FRS if cuts go ahead, so bring on these loco needs.
 

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Surprised they went, I phoned the non-emergency number in desperation recently when my canal boat was sinking, and was just told that as it wasn't an emergency they weren't allowed to help...
 

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Surprised they went, I phoned the non-emergency number in desperation recently when my canal boat was sinking, and was just told that as it wasn't an emergency they weren't allowed to help...
You should have offered to pay them - or told them your cat was on-board!
 
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