• Our new ticketing site is now live! Using either this or the original site (both powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

WCML Electrification Upgrade

Status
Not open for further replies.

Whistler40145

Established Member
Joined
30 Apr 2010
Messages
6,149
Location
Lancashire
As part of the WCML upgrade programme much required modernisation took place to the infrastructure, especially the OHLE.

I have noticed what looks like several mast mounted Booster Transformers at locations e.g. Weaver Junction, can someone confirm if I am correct.

Also, why can e.g. 2x350 work with all Pantographs raised, but a Pendolino only works with one Pantograph raised?

I look forward to receiving replies.
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

ukrob

Established Member
Joined
15 Jan 2009
Messages
1,810
The very simple answer is that 2x350 is two units. A Pendolino is one unit with a bus line it's whole length to distribute the power - it doesn't need both pans raised.
 

John55

Member
Joined
24 Jun 2011
Messages
800
Location
South East
As part of the WCML upgrade programme much required modernisation took place to the infrastructure, especially the OHLE.

I have noticed what looks like several mast mounted Booster Transformers at locations e.g. Weaver Junction, can someone confirm if I am correct.

Also, why can e.g. 2x350 work with all Pantographs raised, but a Pendolino only works with one Pantograph raised?

I look forward to receiving replies.

There is a upgrade to the power supply to the West Coast Main Line underway. This upgrade is converting the supply to an Auto Transformer (AT) configuration. At the moment the work involves the North West of England. I cannot remember the boundaries off hand but Stafford to Carlisle is broadly the area. A new bulk supply point near Preston is part of the work.

I have not noticed the new work at Weaver Junction but I expect it is part of the AT work. AT configuration allows more power to be fed to trains by effectively feeding power along the railway at 50kV and transforming to 25kV closer to the point of use on the train.

It is an old technique which has been rediscovered in recent years to power high speed railways which need lots of power.

Apologies missread your OP. The items you noticed may be booster transformers if old equipment but if new are probably part of the upgrade.
 

John55

Member
Joined
24 Jun 2011
Messages
800
Location
South East
What does an Autotransformer do compared to the current system?

This is a technical paper on the subject if you fancy an expert analysis.

http://www.banekonference.dk/sites/default/files/AT-system 2012.pdf

However the simple explanation is that the auto transformer converts 50kV fed from the substation on the feeder wire to 25kV on the contact wire. It is a bit more complicated than traditional systems but if you can work through the presentation it is much more efficient.
 

DXMachina

Member
Joined
24 Oct 2011
Messages
652
Thanks, so did I

It does raise one further question - link ed in a way to recent discussions about OHLE clearance. If the feeder wire is out of phase with the catenary wire in order to allow the autotransformer to convert power locally.... then surely there's a 70kv peak differential (50kv is average differential across the wave) between 2 wires that could be within a metre of each other.

Is the risk of arcing actually much less than we've historically supposed?
 

John55

Member
Joined
24 Jun 2011
Messages
800
Location
South East
Thanks, so did I

It does raise one further question - link ed in a way to recent discussions about OHLE clearance. If the feeder wire is out of phase with the catenary wire in order to allow the autotransformer to convert power locally.... then surely there's a 70kv peak differential (50kv is average differential across the wave) between 2 wires that could be within a metre of each other.

Is the risk of arcing actually much less than we've historically supposed?

Arcing through dry air is not a problem for 2 x 25kV lines 1 metre apart. I seem to remember 10kV per inch was the rule of thumb in my youth. If you look at the OHLE anywhere you will find relatively small air gaps between 25kV and earthed metal structures (ie less than a metre). If you stand on any of the platforms on the core of Thameslink the clearance is surprisingly small between the conductor wire and the vehicle bodies.

Spark gaps are used as surge protectors on overhead lines (ie local distribution lines) and they are only a few inches or so gap. These are to spark and therefore dump to earth a lightning strike (>>100kV) thereby protecting the equipment on the end of the line.

There was a nasty incident at St Pancras a few years ago where a faulty (incorrectly set) spark gap allowed a live broken conductor wire to dance around on the platform while passengers were getting off a Eurostar train so they are used on those trains as well.

However there is always the problem of rain, foreign bodies and plain bad luck. One issue for the railway is there are a lot of clearances which move. The track moves (slowly), the OHLE moves, the trees next to the line grow and move when windy, the trains move on their suspension etc etc. So static clearances have to be set generously.

In the case of bad luck I remember many years ago around Christmas a rogue 20 ft length of tinsel floating down into the station allowed a discharge between the OHLE and the inside of an signalling equipment cabinet undergoing maintenance which led to a considerable amount of disruption while the frazzled bits were replaced!
 

Whistler40145

Established Member
Joined
30 Apr 2010
Messages
6,149
Location
Lancashire
When I mentioned what I thought were booster transformers, they aren't the normal mast mounted ones one usually sees scattered up & down the WCML, but these look like square boxes mounted on masts & look like they have cables connecting them to a Track Sectioning Cabin or Feeder Station.

Are they there due to the increased power the Pendolinos require?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top