Who owns 'dumped' freight stock

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Pandering and negotiating with the cable-thieving scrotes? After the hundreds of thousands of pounds lost in delays and cancellations they cause through their dangerous, mindless vandalism, you'd give them precious scrap metal? :roll:

I'd give them a kick in the cardans and 5 years of community service, trimming lineside vegetation. With nursery-spec plastic scissors. That'll keep their thieving hands busy.

I was refering to the scrap dealers who DONT handle stolen copper, not the theiving scrotes

The old Bible reading says "If thy hands offends, cut it off". Summary justice..no mercy given. Trouble is, the scrotes are so thick that they cannot read.

 

[daccer]

Just from perusing the odd railway mag there does seem to be a systematic running down of the wagon fleet with regards to spare capacity. NR in particular do seem to be economising onto more efficient working practises with High Output sytems seemingly coming into play more and more. As for the odd abandoned wagon i would suggest that there determining factor would seem to be the cost of recovery versus the value of the recovered scrap. Some long standing items do seem have been recovered recently and maybe NR have decide it is time for a clean up. Lets hope so as it gets my goat to see unkempt sidings et al.

 

[talltim]

I prefer seeing run down sidings to no sidings!

 

[The_Rail_WAy]

One does often think however, that, if we did'nt have these randomly located relics left idle on British railway sidings our railways would be almost 'too perfect' and there would be nothing 'interesting' for us who have that 'extra' eye to look at.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

One does often think however, that, if we did'nt have these randomly located relics left idle on British railway sidings our railways would be almost 'too perfect' and there would be nothing 'interesting' for us who have that 'extra' eye to look at.

I have had another thought. Now that the I-SPY books are being published again, let them do "ABANDONED RAIL WAGGONS" as a new title. This will give the children something to do on rail journeys and will be the training that they need for using my idea of "BRITISH ABANDONED RAIL WAGGONS" that Platform 5 Publishing will hopefully publish, that the grown-ups will use.

Total family entertainment.

 

[The_Rail_WAy]

I have had another thought. Now that the I-SPY books are being published again, let them do "ABANDONED RAIL WAGGONS" as a new title. This will give the children something to do on rail journeys and will be the training that they need for using my idea of "BRITISH ABANDONED RAIL WAGGONS" that Platform 5 Publishing will hopefully publish, that the grown-ups will use.

Total family entertainment.

I like this idea, other books in the series could include:

"SPOT THE SEMAPHORE SIGNAL"
"SPOT THE SIGNAL BOX"
"SPOT THE SIDING THAT LEADS TO NOWHERE"
"SPOT THE BUFFER STOP"

 

[Hydro]

Just from perusing the odd railway mag there does seem to be a systematic running down of the wagon fleet with regards to spare capacity. NR in particular do seem to be economising onto more efficient working practises with High Output sytems seemingly coming into play more and more. As for the odd abandoned wagon i would suggest that there determining factor would seem to be the cost of recovery versus the value of the recovered scrap. Some long standing items do seem have been recovered recently and maybe NR have decide it is time for a clean up. Lets hope so as it gets my goat to see unkempt sidings et al.

A lot of it is nothing to do with NR. If it is a private siding with a private wagon, then it can be left until a futuristic Indi Jones digs its it up and wonders what the hell a twin pipe system is.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

It does seem that whilst some of these waggons are now being removed, others will just be left as monuments to railways of a lost age and part of Britain's Industrial Archeology. They may even qualify for "Ancient Monument" status, especially the tank waggon from the 1920's period that appeared with its photograph earlier in the thread.

Many comments were made about trees and shrubs growing through some of these. Maybe Alan Titchmarsh and Monty Don should be employed as consultants to find out any secret horticultural use that could be found for these waggons. We've all heard of Composted Bark, perhaps there could even be Rusted Hopper

Many of these waggons had classes such as Rudd, Tope. etc, from the fish family....and we've all heard of the plant food "Fish, Blood and Bone":roll:

What I find amazing is that there are never any class 142 Pacers abandoned in old sidings with trees growing through their roofs.....but I suppose that is because no plant life could survive long periods in these things

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

There is also the opportunity for academic knowledge of these abandoned waggons being made available to the general public in the programme called "Mastermind".

AND YOUR CHOSEN SUBJECT?.......

THE HISTORY OF ABANDONED WAGGONS ON THE BRITISH RAIL NETWORK.

 

[Boothby97]

And east of Edinburgh between Craigentinny and Newcraighall there's a whole bunch of stuff including a complete OHL electrification set left over from the ECML electrification program, several intercity and BR era carriages dotted around Craignetinny and a lot of other interesting stuff.

I have found 2 coaches as being regarded as awaiting disposal. Don't know what liveries they are in.

For the wagons, what about Wrawby Junction to the west of Barnetby Station. A few nitrogen tanks that used to be at Grimsby Docks.

 

[Turbostar]

Dunno if stuff is still there since being closed, & havn't been up Plympton way for quiet a while, but I remember quiet a while back in Tavistock Junction yard, there was a few abandoned wagons & old Res stock in the back sidings of the yard, sitting there looking sorry for themselves.
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Message to mod: Would it make more sense to rename this thread, & possibly make it a sticky? Looks like this is starting to get popular with various sightings of abandoned stuff.

 

[Slough]

On the line between Slough and Paddington there are loads of old sidings and old goods yards that have old freight stock . These are on left to rust away on old bits of track that arnt linked to the system anymore and in goods yards that have been fenced off . So who actually owns these , and why haven't they cut up for scrap ?

 

[tra1nsp0tter]

On the line between Slough and Paddington there are loads of old sidings and old goods yards that have old freight stock . These are on left to rust away on old bits of track that arnt linked to the system anymore and in goods yards that have been fenced off . So who actually owns these , and why haven't they cut up for scrap ?

I would imagine that they would still belong to the relevant operating companies?

& not being funny or smart here, but they can't scrap them if the track infront of them has been removed??...

 

[Slough]

I would imagine that they would still belong to the relevant operating companies?

& not being funny or smart here, but they can't scrap them if the track infront of them has been removed??...

Crane ?

 

[Nym]

I would imagine that they would still belong to the relevant operating companies?

& not being funny or smart here, but they can't scrap them if the track infront of them has been removed??...

Cutting torch and a lorry?

 

[sprinterguy]

I would imagine that they would still belong to the relevant operating companies?

Some of the decaying wagons holed up in abandoned sidings and goods yards across the country have been there, unmoved, since the days of British Rail. A prominent example is the rake of white acid (or something similar) tankers stored at Barnetby. As such, in some cases they may never have passed to the ownership of the shadow freight companies at the break up of BRs' freight business, and hence never been allocated to a privatised FOC. It is perhaps likely that they are the property of the residual BRB are a similar body.

& not being funny or smart here, but they can't scrap them if the track infront of them has been removed??...

Why not, it is perfectly possible to cut up railway vehicles on site as Nym suggests. It used to be a far more common occurence in BR days, but it still takes place now and again.

 

[GB]

In most cases the cost of scrapping them probably out weighs the cost of any returns.

 

[fgwrich]

Speaking of the ownership of these various vehicles - would anyone know who actually owns the ex National Power Coal hoppers, dumped near Southall? In a way, im rather supprised that theyve been dumped for so long, as they can't be that old (about the same age as the NP 59s?), disk braked and would surley be usefull as aggregate hoppers?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Last year, I started off a similar thread to this, which ended up with over 100 postings, some with photographs, from all over Britain. The redundant stock that I referred to were two hopper waggons in old sidings in-between Bolton and Moses Gate, that someone said were full of ballast but the ballast had been allowed to be dropped under these waggons years ago. Someone in a post sent a photo in of a 1920's oil (?) tanker that would have made a great exhibit for the National Railway Museum.

 

[D365]

Link it then? Sounds interesting...

 

[HSTEd]

As I understand it many are not claimed by anyone as the only people who knew who they are supposed to belong to are gone and there is no simple answer any more. (ie. back in the days of BR it was obvious who owned them... BR).

 

[sprinterguy]

Link it then? Sounds interesting...

This could well be it: [Mod Note: Thread merged with this one]

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Link it then? Sounds interesting...

At my age of 67, I am useless at computer tasks, but if someone can do this, the thread was called "Two abandoned hopper waggons" and the forum was this one and the date of my opening posting was 30th April 2011.

Is that enough information ? Perhaps these two threads may be conjoined, so all the previous postings could be viewed.

Perhaps the moderators might assist in unlocking the original thread.

 

[142094]

An old rake of hoppers at Steetley in Hartlepool were taken away by a large forklift and put onto a road low loader for the trip to the scrap yard.

 

[dstrat]

Some of the decaying wagons holed up in abandoned sidings and goods yards across the country have been there, unmoved, since the days of British Rail. A prominent example is the rake of white acid (or something similar) tankers stored at Barnetby. As such, in some cases they may never have passed to the ownership of the shadow freight companies at the break up of BRs' freight business, and hence never been allocated to a privatised FOC. It is perhaps likely that they are the property of the residual BRB are a similar body.

Why not, it is perfectly possible to cut up railway vehicles on site as Nym suggests. It used to be a far more common occurence in BR days, but it still takes place now and again.

Pretty sure I saw trees growing between those containers at Barnetby! So yeah...long, long time.

But then again Barnetby does look like something from another century.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

This could well be it: [Mod Note: Thread merged with this one]

Well done..Spot on !!

 

[6Gman]

The three or four wagons south of Stafford, which had been there for some years, vanished a few months ago.

Ditto the hopper at Shrewsbury Coal Siding.

Somebody doing some tidying up?

 

[Jordy]

This could well be it: [Mod Note: Thread merged with this one]

The thread linked in this post has now been merged with this thread to make it easier to read

 

[colchesterken]

How about the preservation movement it worked at Barry
they could sell them for scrap value with the purchaser moving by road
from their point of view I would have thought it would not cost too much to refurb a wagon
goods trains look good on preserver railways..win win situation

 

[Crawley Ben]

I passed numerous wagons whilst travelling on a railtour down the GWML yesterday. A lot of DBS/EWS hoppers & flat wagons that looked like they had seen better days & appeared to be 'dumped'. I even passed 2 wagons at Crawley stone terminal adjacent to the Brighton Main Line!

Ben