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Well, it does make quite a bit of difference to the pronunciation!
Further, it should be 'OK' or 'Okay', 'Ok' is the sound as in 'wok'
And not forgetting Tan-y-Bwlch, Beddgelert and Rhyd Ddu!
Eagle
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All pronounced exactly as they're spelt.
I wouldn't exactly say that rid dee was exactly how it was spelt, especially if you don't know much welsh, but even if we do, and we follow your reasoning surely it should be rid thee?
The same with Tan-y-Bwlch, coming from an english perspective it would be tan-ye-Bulch
And again with Waunfawr, from an english perspective it should be worn-four not wine-faur
although with the latter 2 if you know a rough welsh alphabet you can probably figure it out
Eagle
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Why from an English perspective? They're not English names.
Welsh is a foreign language; get over it. :P
I'm not disputing that its a foreign language, this thread is in English though, therefore these names are not as they are spelt to the average reader.
I meant from the perspective of an English Tourist, and working on the F&WHR I see it all the time, people ask me questions and most of them are how is such and such a place pronounced.
And as I said, AFAIK Rhyd Ddu isn't pronounced how it is spelt even in welsh!
Ivo
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I hate you lot for mocking my "dialect"
These things do have an "ar" sound in them! They just do! Bl**dy northerners Having said that though, even I'm not sure it sound right. But neither does "Lancahster"!
One person, who shall not be named (*cough* Crossover *cough*), made a joke out of the word "grass" not so long ago. I'm just glad he didn't think about the fact we were observing said grass through glass.
(I appreciate you aren't a northerner Eagle.)
Just be sure to pronounce every letter as it looks, and treat the "a" as a separate syllable. And make sure you say a hard "G". Treat caution when saying Manea as well - because I am so used to Gidea Park, the first time I said Manea I got caught out!
A bit of local perspective for you there.
You'll have to get used to this level of pedantry on here
I would half-expect a Laaandaaanaaa to say "Smevvick" though.Speaking of which, I'll warn you now - if you start mentioning Station Codes, make sure you put "BHM" for Birmingham New Street and not "BNS"!
In that case, let's start writing in Welsh - and then we'll have a field day. Probably half of English stations don't like right to someone who isn't used to the hapless nonsense that is English!
tsr
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It's always embarrassing when I (and probably you) can't pronounce the names of stations that nobody other than the locals and a few railway enthusiasts even know the existence of, but then the occasions for embarrassment are normally somewhat few and far between.
See also: Shippea Hill...
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Ivo
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I'm not proficient enough in Welsh - yet - to be able to translate my signature. Unfortunately.
Abertawe does have a nice ring to it though. "Ah-ber-tah-wer" (well, roughly)
Abertawe does have a nice ring to it though. "Ah-ber-tah-wer" (well, roughly)
Eagle
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At least having a railway station means that non-locals have a chance of knowing the correct pronunciation :P
For instance, I doubt anyone outside of Warwickshire can correctly pronounce Stivichall (which I've always maintained should get a station if NUCKLE happens in full).
fairysdad
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Stik-ul (/el)? (possibly with a soft 'ch' in it?)
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Nowhere near :P
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I always thought it was STY-chull?
transmanche
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How about combining these two strands and start calling Shrewsbury by its Welsh name instead; Amwythig. There's no dispute how that is pronounced!
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Not as simple as that! It all depends what part of Wales you're from.
I pronounce the beer company Felinfoel as Velin-voil.
My father in law from Swansea pronounces it Velin-vorl.
There are even different words/dialects in different parts of Wales; hence the two counting systems (dau/dwy, tre/tair etc)
As for Shrewsbury, I pronounce it like the animal.
Eagle
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That's nothing to do with dialect: dau and tri are masculine, dwy and tair are feminine (same goes for pedwar/pedair).
But yes, there are obvious differences in accent (and vocab, such as the word for "he" being fe in the south and fo in the north) between different parts of Wales.
It was always Four-gate when I was growing up in the next town!
Theres an EC TM who will announce that we are now approaching "Yawk", the next stop will be "Doncarsta", I'm always a bit distracted though
It can also be spelt Styvechale (but it is pronounced 'Sty-chull' or thereabouts). How about a future station on the Cov - L'Spa line as "Cheylesmore & Stivichall" Two potentially awkward names in one!
Phonetically.
As has been pointed out already!
But for English readers:
Mach - yn - lleth [mach - first part as the ma in magazine; ch as in the Scottish loch; yn = English un - as in undone; lleth - very difficult to express in English sounds!!] Oh, and accent on the yn bit.
Llan - rwst [Llan as in all other Welsh llans (!); rwst as in the first part of rooster] Accent on rw.
172212
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Why does it matter how something is said, I've lived in Smethwick all my life. And everyone I know says it as 'smev' + 'ick'. Some people are so up themselves...
Eagle
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Ooooooooohhh... *gets handbag out* :P
Ivo
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This is the National Pedant Patrol. This thread should have shown you that by now.
I suggested to yorkie that the forum's name should have changed to "Pedant City" for April Fool's Day
PaxVobiscum
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Curious habit, this, to us very Northerners, of inserting "r"s when not indicated - as in the oft-quoted Blue Peter artwork term "drawing" pronounced as "drawer-ring". I find that example much more bizarre than hearing about the city of "Baarth" for some reason. See these folk with their intrusive arrs!
My granny used to say "Why can't thae English folk speak withoot an accent, like whit we dae?"
My granny used to say "Why can't thae English folk speak withoot an accent, like whit we dae?"
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Eagle
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Actually a vaguely related thing I've just thought of.
The Welsh word for 'to cancel' is dileu. Which sounds awfully like the English word 'delay', which is something different entirely.
Could cause a bit of confusion at those stations with bilingual PAs, eh?
The Welsh word for 'to cancel' is dileu. Which sounds awfully like the English word 'delay', which is something different entirely.
Could cause a bit of confusion at those stations with bilingual PAs, eh?
CheekyBandit
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Always assumed it to be 'giddier' - IIRC this was how the Beach Boys tribute band (which I heard of before the station I presume the band took their name from) was pronounced on the radio. I believe it was their cover of the song "California Girls" that was used during the snowboard scene in the Bond flim "A View to a Kill".
Manea got me confused for a while - Sheffield station announcements in the mid 1990's (when one could get a direct train there) pronounced it Mannier, an old friend who was on a train that stopped there (presumably not having heard any announcements) thought it was man-ee-er.
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