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[HSTEd]

Manchester-York without extension to hull doesn't really make much sense as far as electrification goes, especially with the knock on removal of many of the remaining diesel trains into KGX.

 

[tbtc]

Manchester-York without extension to hull doesn't really make much sense as far as electrification goes, especially with the knock on removal of many of the remaining diesel trains into KGX.

Agreed - I expect there to be an announcement about extending the wires to Hull* in the next eighteen months (maybe at one of Osbourne's Budgets - a chance to boast about how much they are investing in vital infrastructure etc) - the "trend" appears to be to make one announcement about electrifying a section of line, get the praise for this, then make another announcement about electrifying a second section...

Remember that the Manchester - Liverpool electrification was announced a bit before the Bolton electrification. Also, given the time taken to do the line from Manchester to York, you could announce electrification to Hull today or announce it in five years time and it might not make any difference to how soon the wires would arrive there (given the lag times and the need to get the main TPE stuff done first)

(* - less confident about Middlesbrough/ Scarborough)

 

[northwichcat]

I can see the argument for Bradford-Selby, would it damage capacity and performance at Leeds though?

Conversely would it affect platforms at Leeds to have more terminating services, if Selby-Leeds was made a shuttle service?

(* - less confident about Middlesbrough/ Scarborough)

The proposed May 2014 timetable for North TPE seems to add substance to suggestions that Scarborough won't be electrified. The proposed Liverpool-Newcastle service via Chat Moss has been added in but not at the expense of the Liverpool-Scarborough service but likely at the expense of the Liverpool to Manchester Airport via Chat Moss service due to the timings it's been given. (The proposed removal of Warrington-Yorkshire and Scarborough-Manchester services has created local opposition.)

 

[IanXC]

Conversely would it affect platforms at Leeds to have more terminating services, if Selby-Leeds was made a shuttle service?

I was thinking of the moves from the relatively self contained Airedale and Wharfdale (although I'm no expert on the layout), and the potential for importing delays.

Couldn't the current Man Victoria-Selby service continue as is, with EMUs?

 

[northwichcat]

Couldn't the current Man Victoria-Selby service continue as is, with EMUs?

It could if the line through Rochdale and Halifax was electrified, which there are no plans to do at present.

 

[IanXC]

It could if the line through Rochdale and Halifax was electrified, which there are no plans to do at present.

Ah didn't realise it went that way. Probably best off Bradford FS to Selby then. Man Vic-Leeds could be added to the Knottingley route.

 

[tbtc]

It could if the line through Rochdale and Halifax was electrified, which there are no plans to do at present.

It really ought to be done (both as a diversion route for TPE and a way of freeing up well over a dozen DMUs), I'd suggest it was one of the logical "next steps".

Sadly its not on the agenda for electrification, but one day...

Conversely would it affect platforms at Leeds to have more terminating services, if Selby-Leeds was made a shuttle service?

There are a couple of bays at the eastern end of Leeds City Station that could accomodate such a service (can't be sure whether they could take a four coach EMU)