'The Tube' (TV program)

[martin2345uk]

That was pretty harrowing viewing. The way they blurred out the body on the track... but bits of blur a few feet away made it all too obvious what had happened... Awful. Poor guys...

 

[matt]

Does anyone know why it the final part of the program the station name was obscured (even though it was fairly obvious which station it was)?

 

[martin2345uk]

I thought it was because there was maybe some matter from the one under on it..?

 

[RailwayDan]

This episode is a bit morbid. The incident the driver was talking about at Earls Court sounded pretty horrific.

Yes, that bit was awful.

Although, if it even stops one person acting dangerously on the platforms then that is one life saved.

 

[Temple Meads]

I thought it was because there was maybe some matter from the one under on it..?

I think it must've, as IIRC the station name on another sign was unobscured a few moments later.

It's the first episode I've seen of this series tonight, and I have to say it's a really well made programme, best thing I've seen for a while

 

[SS4]

Yes they do

An awful lot..

I meant the tv guide

Does anyone know why it the final part of the program the station name was obscured (even though it was fairly obvious which station it was)?

I'm not sure, I recognised it instantly from the shots above ground anyway

 

[martin2345uk]

It really makes me wish I worked for LU (not tonight's episode in particular). The staff featured seem like a wonderful bunch of people, though I guess they picked them out for that reason!

 

[RailwayDan]

It's the first episode I've seen of this series tonight, and I have to say it's a really well made programme, best thing I've seen for a while

The first two episodes are still on iPlayer if you have access to that. They're worth watching.

 

[WestCoast]

Yes, that bit was awful.

Although, if it even stops one person acting dangerously on the platforms then that is one life saved.

Quite, the incident needs to be publicised, but to drag a bystander along with you is horrific.

You get what you pay for. I'd say both your quoted examples provide an inferior service to LU.

The Tube's a brilliant system but there's quite a big difference in price. I wouldn't say that other systems are that "inferior". You can travel unlimited for 7 days on the NY Subway across the network for approx. £18, it runs 24 hours a day every few minutes on most lines, it has very useful limited stop services (easily faster than an all stops Tube) and the majority of trains are double manned with a driver and a guard at the centre. OK, it's not as 'pretty' as the Tube, but a perfectly credible system for a city that size. I appreciate that the Tube has more staff, BUT personally I think having two staff on a train to aid the smooth boarding/alighting and in case of emergencies is also an advantage over the Tube.

 

[SS4]

It really makes me wish I worked for LU (not tonight's episode in particular). The staff featured seem like a wonderful bunch of people, though I guess they picked them out for that reason!

I reckon they asked for volunteers in an internal memo and it would make the most sense that those who liked their job would volunteer.

 

[Temple Meads]

The first two episodes are still on iPlayer if you have access to that. They're worth watching.

I'll check them out!

 

[Peter Mugridge]

I thought it was because there was maybe some matter from the one under on it..?

I don't think so because several signs were fuzzed out both on the track side and the platform side, but no parts of the wall were fuzzed out. Notice also that they never mentioned the name of the station ( which I also recognised instantly anyway ) in the narrative either.

The one that wasn't fuzzed out was when they were showing a CCTV clip and it was just on the side of that picture.

 

[Ivo]

I'm sorry to say that I agree with you guys (not saying sorry because I'm agreeing; it's what I'm agreeing about). They could have made more of an effort to hide the station's identity, but then what could they do at such a large and prominent location...?

 

[causton]

I think the only reason was for respect or to stop people having the idea of copying it and going to the same station (I believe all should have been blurred, but a few wobbly cameras and the odd -ON came out, along with the missed one on the CCTV, and the fact people were being told to go to Warren Street and King's Cross...!)

 

[WestCoast]

I think it was out of respect as well, and to try and make the incident as anonymous as possible for all concerned (including for those who were not filmed in their line of work).

 

[Muzer]

Yeah, some of the signs were quite clearly visible... perhaps this explains the delay in it coming to iPlayer? Not sure if it's up now, but my friend usually watches it about 10-20 minutes after it finishes - two hours later, it still wasn't up...

 

[Metadyneman]

On a less morbid note, did anyone notice the 1938TS in the first few seconds of the programme on an adjacent road in the depot when they showed the Picc line driver wakling through his train? It was not the 4-Car preserved one as this has a maroon roof. The one in the Programme clearly had a grey roof...anyone care to confirm this and clarify what train this was? (possibly the middle coach of the preserved 3-car Cravens unit but can anyone confirm?)

 

[Daniel]

I reckon they asked for volunteers in an internal memo and it would make the most sense that those who liked their job would volunteer.

unless they did that specifically with drivers, no, sorry, they didn't. They obviously went to certain people as they're well known, such as the CSA at Warwick Avenue as he was publicised on Annine Mole's blog, but I was filmed in a very turn-up-and-go sense, I was told I was going to be filmed and given the opportunity to leave if I didn't want to be. Either way they'd be there filming.

 

[fsmr]

I reckon they asked for volunteers in an internal memo and it would make the most sense that those who liked their job would volunteer.

You can bet on that one
Having had lots of experience working with both local and international Tv and documentary makers, i can assure you the PR dept will be on overdive although they will often have no power to veto anything recorded unless it is deemed commercially or military sensitive, so you have to plan where you let them loose and who with in advance
If person X at station Y is a loose cannon , you plan the TV visit there on the day he is off shift

It is all to easy for tv cameras to pick up bits of ones work that might be taken out of context in the wrong situation and look bad to the public

Look at what happens when you have onboard cams in a police traffic car and they forget it is recording!! careers have been destroyed by less

What you do find though with these sort of fly on the wall docus is that some interesting characters are unearthered which always makes good viewing

Would I agree to letting them loose on our railway!!:roll:
Hmm

 

[RJ]

No, you're allowed a couple of minutes to go back out without a charge - in case the service is FUBAR and you want to try going a different way. Even after that time you won't pay a PF.

Since the programme was recorded, it's increased to £40. (Well technically it was £50, now it's £80 - but there's a 50% discount for paying within 21 days.)

I think a few on here are a bit baffled when it comes to Oyster.

If you watch the clip carefully, you will hear the ticket inspectors telling the guy off about allowing someone else use his season ticket. You will also hear them say that he was trying to avoid paying to use Zone 1.

The only logical explanation is that the passenger held a Zone 2 - 3 Travelcard (or any Travelcard including Zone 2 but not Zone 1.) He was touching in and out at Homerton or Highbury or wherever it was then touching out at Latimer Road. If you have a Travelcard and validate within your zones then you do not get charged. Hence by appearing to leave the system prior to travelling through Zone 1, he didn't get charged.

He was not using Oyster PAYG as he would have been charged two maximum fares for what he was doing. And touching in/out instantly has not cancelled the charge for several years now.

I work in Zone 1 but use a Zones 2-3 Travelcard. I avoid paying for Zone 1 by using buses and use of a cheapo season ticket which has a ridiculous area of validity around London. Frauds like that idiot on the TV deserve everything they get! I like the way they showed that they can identify and track down people using Oyster Cards to fare evade - just goes to show that use of unregistered cards offers very little protection indeed.

Avoiding expensive fares through finding valid workarounds is to be applauded, but frauds should be dealt with appropriately IMO. I don't pay my fare so that others can illegally go for free!

 

[SS4]

unless they did that specifically with drivers, no, sorry, they didn't. They obviously went to certain people as they're well known, such as the CSA at Warwick Avenue as he was publicised on Annine Mole's blog, but I was filmed in a very turn-up-and-go sense, I was told I was going to be filmed and given the opportunity to leave if I didn't want to be. Either way they'd be there filming.

I stand corrected. Thanks for your input

 

[RJ]

No, you're allowed a couple of minutes to go back out without a charge - in case the service is FUBAR and you want to try going a different way. Even after that time you won't pay a PF.

Since the programme was recorded, it's increased to £40. (Well technically it was £50, now it's £80 - but there's a 50% discount for paying within 21 days.)

I think a few on here are a bit baffled when it comes to Oyster.

If you watch the clip carefully, you will hear the ticket inspectors telling the guy off about allowing someone else use his season ticket. You will also hear them say that he was trying to avoid paying to use Zone 1.

The only logical explanation is that the passenger held a Zone 2 - 3 Travelcard (or any Travelcard including Zone 2 but not Zone 1.) He was touching in and out at Homerton or Highbury or wherever it was then touching out at Latimer Road. If you have a Travelcard and validate within your zones then you do not get charged. Hence by appearing to leave the system prior to travelling through Zone 1, he didn't get charged.

He was not using Oyster PAYG as he would have been charged two maximum fares for what he was doing. And touching in/out instantly has not cancelled the charge for several years now.

I work in Zone 1 but use a Zones 2-3 Travelcard. I avoid paying for Zone 1 by using buses and use of a cheapo season ticket which has a ridiculous area of validity around London. Frauds like that idiot on the TV deserve everything they get! I like the way they showed that they can identify and track down people using Oyster Cards to fare evade - just goes to show that use of unregistered cards offers very little protection indeed.

Avoiding expensive fares through finding valid workarounds is to be applauded, but frauds should be dealt with appropriately IMO. I don't pay my fare so that others can illegally go for free!

 

[Daniel]

Next weeks episode:

Season 1. Episode 4 of 6. Faulty doors and a signal failure cause major delays on the Victoria Line, where head of upgrades David Waboso is trying to work on a solution to the networks trebling of passengers over the past 10 years. Meanwhile, supervisor Barry Griffiths endeavours to keep the crows moving at Tottenham Court Road as work continues to make the station six times bigger.

 

[Mike395]

Looks interesting, was hoping they might show some of what's going on behind the hoardings at Tottenham Court Road at some point this series!

(By the way, I can confirm that these staff really do exist, I saw 2 of the staff in the intro sequence working when I was in London yesterday, and one was having his photo taken at the time I walked past! :P )

 

[142094]

New York Subway is much better than the Underground value-wise, and they have the same problems (old system in need or refurbishment).

 

[jon0844]

Aren't all the NYC trains sub-surface? Presumably it is cheaper to work on or upgrade?

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[WestCoast]

Aren't all the NYC trains sub-surface? Presumably it is cheaper to work on or upgrade?

It's a very different system to the Tube. The lines are subsurface, surface or elevated (running above roads seemed common), but many of the lines run 24 hours day and have four tracks to facilitate Express and Local trains, so I presume that makes engineering works a little more difficult (but less expensive overall).

It's not as well presented as the tube, but nothing beats Moscow Metro's stations for sheer magnificence and beauty, when I was about 8 years old, I went to Moscow with my family to visit a close relative who was working there, being interested in transport things, I vaguely remember the grand chandeliers and statues and thinking it looked like a museum. Records 6.5 million passengers daily now as well - a lot busier than the Tube (if you thought that was possible!). I must go back there.

In fact, I'd love to see a series aired in the UK that covered another buzzing metro system, it would be fascinating to see behind the scenes on another network.

 

[plymothian]

Next weeks episode:

Quote:
Season 1. Episode 4 of 6. Faulty doors and a signal failure cause major delays on the Victoria Line, where head of upgrades David Waboso is trying to work on a solution to the networks trebling of passengers over the past 10 years. Meanwhile, supervisor Barry Griffiths endeavours to keep the crows moving at Tottenham Court Road as work continues to make the station six times bigger.

Get a lot of bird problems at TCR then?

 

[Ivo]

In fact, I'd love to see a series aired in the UK that covered another buzzing metro system, it would be fascinating to see behind the scenes on another network.

Next time on Manchester Documetro:

We go behind the scenes at Queens Road as the long-awaited conversion of the Staff Halt to standard passenger operation finally takes place. Also find out what the Metrolink staff thought of the Coronation Street 50th anniversary special 18 months on...

...that wasn't what you meant, was it?

 

[CC 72100]

This episode is a bit morbid. The incident the driver was talking about at Earls Court sounded pretty horrific.

Indeed. Very 'deep' episode in places but a difficult topic dealt well with in my view. It took my absolutely ages to guess the station, completely forgetting that it existed until you could see one of the roundel signs on the platform just as they carried the body away at the end.