DarloRich
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On the aove service which has left the cross 10 down due to crew rest requirements. Very strange consist on this service today 3xfc and 3xsc with no buffet. There is a tech fault with the buffet - I wonder what that could be
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1820 GC Service off kings cross
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When I was at Kings Cross yesterday, late morning, there was a GC HST that had one FC coach deputising for an |SC coach; it had "this is for Standard Class ticket holders" in the door windows.
Why do they seem to have such trauma with their HST coaches? I thought they'd sorted all the problems?
Why do they seem to have such trauma with their HST coaches? I thought they'd sorted all the problems?
DarloRich
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That is always like that - I think they are short an sc coach. In fact i am traveling in that coach now and very comfy it is to! I just didn't know they had so many fc coaches
Schnellzug
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Do they not have fixed formations, then?
IIRC they use ex loco-hauled MK3 coaches; I can't remember which was adapted to the other (hence the 'trauma').
sprinterguy
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Both the FOs and TSOs were converted from loco hauled mark 3s.
Grand Central have an imbalance in carriages, with six first class vehicles and nine standard class ones to allow for two first class vehicles in each formation, but of course only one designated first class coach is used. This means that at least one HST will have at least one declassified first class coach acting as standard class accomodation at any time, often more.
Grand Central HST formations have always seemed fairly fluid to me, certainly more so than those of the franchised TOCs.
Grand Central have an imbalance in carriages, with six first class vehicles and nine standard class ones to allow for two first class vehicles in each formation, but of course only one designated first class coach is used. This means that at least one HST will have at least one declassified first class coach acting as standard class accomodation at any time, often more.
Grand Central HST formations have always seemed fairly fluid to me, certainly more so than those of the franchised TOCs.
DarloRich
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I'm on the mid-afternoon service off KGX tomorrow on the West Riding route, which I *think* is a HST diagram...if it is, I'll post as to what its formation is
West riding services are 180s I believe
I heard that the mid service of the day in each direction was a HST set.
I'd be happy either way - just hope if it is a 180 that I don't get 180105 :P
DarloRich
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http://www.125group.org.uk/diagrams-GC.pdf
looking at the above it looks like solid 180 territory! However they have been known to swap the sets over so you might be lucky.
looking at the above it looks like solid 180 territory! However they have been known to swap the sets over so you might be lucky.
wensley
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Bradfords are solidly 180s, crew not fully trained to work HSTs north of Doncaster. Not sure about the buffet problem, as I'm in the US. The TF issue ma be particularly bad in one set due to coaches being away on refresh. 10min delay could have been worse as well!!
DarloRich
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it was fine - not complaining about anything! I had a brew before i got on anyway
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The Buffet car is not in the formation as its at LNWR works in Crewe for C4 overhaul and not due to a "technical fault" as stated 
I didn't think that was the issue, but more that one part of the route (in west yorks) wasn't cleared. A HST set did the duty at least once, being terminated at somewhere like Kirkgate. Others will know more.
Do they actually have three rakes of stock formed up? If so where is the third buffet car (if one is in one rake, and one at LNWR)?
wensley
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That set was conducted by trained staff, there was a clearance issue but as far as I am aware that has been resolved. Sets don't work the route due to short platforms and lack of training.
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Out of Interest how do GC deal with catering when the Buffet Car is out? Do they have any trollies stowed away anywhere? or do they have no catering at all in those circumstances?
Sorry to take this slightly OT but do all EMT services have buffets?
The service I was on this morning (2 x 5 car Meridians) had no open buffet in the front set, with a note in the window of the buffet saying it was now trolley service and the trolley was sat there next to the buffet
Buffets have been replaced with trolleys on all services, though the buffets themselves are still fitted they are out of use unless the service is very busy in which case the trolley sets up there.
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That is terrible, have they not learned from Cross Country's mistakes? :roll:
No doubt they use Rail Gourmet too........:roll:
Everyone uses RG to one degree or another, some to provide the entire catering service others to only supply the stock. In EMTs case RG supply the standard class catering in it's entirety and for first class it supplies the stock but the delivery of the first class service (on weekdays and weekend breakfast trains) is provided by in-house EMT CSAs.
Well so far unlike XC they haven't physically removed them from the trains so the buffets could easily be brought back into use again should the need arise in the future.
DarloRich
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TBH i never really have a problem with GC - they offer a fast cheap (ish) service from the North East /York to London.
They use decent trains, the staff are nice and friendly, the stock is comfortable they are reliable (ish) and you can often get a seat.
The other night they did seem to be offering refreshments from the first class service point for sale to the second class passengers.
They use decent trains, the staff are nice and friendly, the stock is comfortable they are reliable (ish) and you can often get a seat.
The other night they did seem to be offering refreshments from the first class service point for sale to the second class passengers.
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