The DJ
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Lumo's northbound service leaves the ECML at Colton Junction and rejoins at Skelton Junction, an 11-12 minutes deviation. Is there any particular reason?
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Why does Lumo's routeing avoid York?
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Its certainly not a 11-12 minute deviation.
It takes 4 minutes from York Holgate Junction to Skelton Junction, which is the avoiding line.
If you use Colton Junction to Base it on, that is still 5 miles away using the main line.
As the person above mentioned, using the avoider, it avoids conflict with other services.
gordonthemoron
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were the centre roads at York removed during ECML electrification?
Yes, when the ECML was electrified and York was resignalled.
Because that's what they were offered, and they can choose to accept it or not run their train. There may be a little latitude but they've been offered it for a good reason. There are lots of examples of them having to fit in among the needs of existing services.
They are likely to improve slightly as timetable changes go by.
Worth noting that some of their slots will permit passing through the station e.g. along platform 5.
They are likely to improve slightly as timetable changes go by.
Worth noting that some of their slots will permit passing through the station e.g. along platform 5.
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Which would probably make no difference anyway, if the conflicts involved are in the station throat.
pdeaves
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and gives enthusiasts the opportunity to do some rare line
(keep the enthusiasts happy and they may come back again and spend more money; ha, ha)Straight running without a stop it’s 1.5 minutes slower via the Yards than the station. Add in time for crossing at Colton North and it’s 2.5 mins. Add in a dwell at York and it more or less balances.
One other reason for not routing via York is the risk of having one come to a stand in York station for pathing reasons creating a risk with passengers trying to board. Go round the back and risk can be reduced.
One other reason for not routing via York is the risk of having one come to a stand in York station for pathing reasons creating a risk with passengers trying to board. Go round the back and risk can be reduced.
If that were the case, all services would be routed via the avoiders. As it stands, only some services - all being northbound ones - are routed this way. It's a matter of pathing convenience; not going through any platform lines is a secondary benefit.
York Station is managed slightly differently in recent years with much more southbound use of platform 5 and northbound use of platform 9.
I imagine a southbound service is more likely to get a clear path though York Station itself than a northbound one that has to cross over against movements from the bay platforms.
I imagine a southbound service is more likely to get a clear path though York Station itself than a northbound one that has to cross over against movements from the bay platforms.
Some have clean paths through so can route through non-stop without issue or risk of coming to a stand. Any that have a lot of pathing risk coming to a stand.
How many services are actually using the avoider? I just looked at a few and they mostly seem to use the station?
pdeaves
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Yes; no sense in up trains using the avoider as that would create more conflicts at each end of the avoider line.
Aha, I had been poking weekends (easiest day for me to have a trip out!) so that explains that. Thanks
Though, in terms of those available for the public, from the looks of it not until they ramp up their services in December?
Yes. I was going from memory looking earlier at the full plan.
And, I suspect, vice-versa, that's to say that services "booked" via the avoiding lines won't necessarily use them I suspect.
The track bashers hearts will be pounding as they pass Colton Jn....
They will have to use them regularly otherwise Lumo drivers route knowledge via the avoiding lines will expire.
dk1
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Would take 6 months for that to happen so would be pretty unlucky to avoid (excuse the pun) it for that length of time.
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