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Whistling on trains

Would you consider it okay to whistle on a train, with others in the carriage?

  • Yes, if not in the Quiet Zone

    Votes: 28 21.1%
  • No. It’s obviously going to annoy people

    Votes: 105 78.9%

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Lewisham2221

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You're not in charge so you don't get to decide this.

The bylaws state that you shouldn't interfere in the comfort of other passengers. So, actually, society has already decided in this country that you are in the wrong. That people don't have to take avoiding action to accommodate you.

I'm sure you can contain your "happiness" for the duration of a train journey without needing to dominate a rail carriage.

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What an emotionally incontinent age where asking for short periods of common courtesy is seen as some extraordinary suppression or resentment of happiness, indeed.
But, where do you draw the line on what counts as "interfering" with comfort?

Can I get BTP involved for any of the following:
A larger person sitting in the seat next to me?
A crying baby?
A baby with a dirty nappy?
Somebody eating an orange or banana?
Somebody slurping when they drink?
A noisy eater?
The heavy breather sat opposite me?
Somebody standing right next to my seat on a very busy train?
Somebody else already occupying the only toilet on a train, when I really need to go?

All of the above would "interfere" with my comfort.
 
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But, where do you draw the line on what counts as "interfering" with comfort?

Can I get BTP involved for any of the following:
A larger person sitting in the seat next to me?
A crying baby?
A baby with a dirty nappy?
Somebody eating an orange or banana?
Somebody slurping when they drink?
A noisy eater?

The heavy breather sat opposite me?
Somebody standing right next to my seat on a very busy train?
Somebody else already occupying the only toilet on a train, when I really need to go?

All of the above would "interfere" with my comfort.
What is so irritating is how everyone keeps assuming we want to outlaw things. No, that would be ridiculous. It would just be nice if people showed consideration. The above can’t be helped of course, well - I’m not so sure about the two in bold, although I suppose if someone’s got a disability or something - but there is no need to flipping whistle. This is why the above are unfair comparisons.
 

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What is so irritating is how everyone keeps assuming we want to outlaw things. No, that would be ridiculous. It would just be nice if people showed consideration. The above can’t be helped of course, well - I’m not so sure about the two in bold, although I suppose if someone’s got a disability or something - but there is no need to flipping whistle. This is why the above are unfair comparisons.
I was referring specifically to the reference to the bylaws. Obviously, I don't actuallt expect anything to be done about any of those things. They may all mildy annoy me or impact my comfort, but they are people, doing people things, so I just get on my with my day without getting outraged
 

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I can’t stand whistling or sniffing. It’s very rude as someone could be wanting to sleep on a long distance train.

I don't think you can criticise people for sniffing! Unlike whistling, it's involuntary.
 

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You're not in charge so you don't get to decide this.

The bylaws state that you shouldn't interfere in the comfort of other passengers. So, actually, society has already decided in this country that you are in the wrong. That people don't have to take avoiding action to accommodate you..
And that surely works both ways. If someone has a nervous tick, or feels more comfortable whistling then why they be made to feel less comfortable?

How is it any different to someone who has, shall we say, a very distinct laugh. Can be very annoying have someone cackle loudly, but does anyone really feel the need to tell them they should stop laughing as it's making you uncomfortable?

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I don't think you can criticise people for sniffing! Unlike whistling, it's involuntary.
Both/neither are involuntary. People so those things often on a subconscious level, and at the same time know they are doing so
 

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I can’t stand whistling or sniffing. It’s very rude as someone could be wanting to sleep on a long distance train.
Posts like this just make a mockery of my thread. Whistling and sniffing are two COMPLETELY different things. You cannot say it is rude to sniff.
 

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Maybe you could try hypnotherapy?

Its a very annoying habit and completely pointless
I could, but I'd rather not be put into an enchanted sleep in the hope that such a completely pointless activity will "cure" me of the habit.

Personally, I think there are bigger fish to fry in terms of dealing with people with irritating habits on the railway. I suspect I come under that when I start repeating strings of numbers to myself as the train passes a depot so that I can remember them all to write down...

I do still own a face mask, and my whistling is practically inaudible through that, so maybe that's a solution!
And that surely works both ways. If someone has a nervous tic, or feels more comfortable whistling then why they be made to feel less comfortable?

How is it any different to someone who has, shall we say, a very distinct laugh. Can be very annoying have someone cackle loudly, but does anyone really feel the need to tell them they should stop laughing as it's making you uncomfortable?

Both/neither are involuntary. People so those things often on a subconscious level, and at the same time know they are doing so
Agreed.
 

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My mother used to tell me that all the time - and pointedly hand me a tissue.
It’s gross, but sometimes can’t always be helped especially if you have no tissues and its hayfever season. Whistling can be helped.
 

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It’s gross, but sometimes can’t always be helped especially if you have no tissues and its hayfever season. Whistling can be helped.
Again, you get into different expectations of tolerance and preparedness. If you know you are susceptible to sniffing, then it's not unreasonable to be expected to keep some tissues handy. However if it is clear that an individual is making an effort to avoid unnecessary disturbance then others should be expected to respect the fact.
 

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Personally, I'm not bothered by whistling. The caretaker in my work building does it all day and it's never been a problem. I dare say it would drive some on here bonkers, however.

Whistling is a minor irritant compared with sniffing. Whether people can or cannot 'help it', it's grotesque. Often, the people sniffing over and over on trains do it because they have their head down on their phones, and then it stops as soon as the phone is put away. If your nose is running, blow it; if it's blocked, use something like Vicks nasal spray (I think they call it a 'Sinex Soother'). It never fails for me and is a godsend for sleeping at night with nasal congestion.

I know there are plenty who feel the same about sniffing, illustrated nicely a few weeks back when a woman boarded the train and proceeded, without exaggeration, to sniff every five seconds. There were three of us in the same area of the carriage, and our headphones went on in perfect unison.
 

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Posts like this just make a mockery of my thread.
That could be the point - I concur with the poster above who said that it has escalated beyond all proportion!
It’s gross, but sometimes can’t always be helped especially if you have no tissues and its hayfever season. Whistling can be helped.
Regarding the first bit in bold: I always carry a packet of tissues in case of nosebleeds, so wouldn't it be reasonable to expect someone who suffers from hayfever to take the same precaution? It's a simple way to help it, that works in most, if not all, cases, and is very practical. There is not an equivalent for whistlers.

Regarding the second bit in bold: I do find it slightly insulting how you suggest that people who whistle subconsciously are doing it almost out of the meanness of their own hearts. As soon as I am told to stop/realise that I am whistling having previously been told to stop, I stop. I don't think, "I want to whistle!" and whistle, irrespective of others' desires - there are probably many reasons one could choose from if one wished to describe me as not a nice person, but that is not one of them.
 

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I've been thoroughly enjoying it - OP posted an absolute firecracker question. cheers OP! :D
Sure you’re welcome, but that wasn’t the intention. I assumed I’d just have people all agree with me, and then share stories of times they’ve been driven mad by someone whistling on the train.
 

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More people should whistle, its cheerful and light and can bring happiness to a dark universe.

I also think a massed orchestra of year 8 pupils playing the recorder can also make your day.
 

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Sure you’re welcome, but that wasn’t the intention. I assumed I’d just have people all agree with me, and then share stories of times they’ve been driven mad by someone whistling on the train.
I thought you'd been on the forum long enough to know that there was never going to be a consensus on an issue of passenger behaviour? :lol:
 

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Sure you’re welcome, but that wasn’t the intention. I assumed I’d just have people all agree with me, and then share stories of times they’ve been driven mad by someone whistling on the train.
I do drive myself mad, but not by whistling!
 

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More people should whistle, its cheerful and light and can bring happiness to a dark universe.

I also think a massed orchestra of year 8 pupils playing the recorder can also make your day.
Maybe your universe, but not mine :lol:
I remember learning how to play "Hot Cross Buns" on the recorder in Year 2. I don't know any Year 8 students that would play it :lol:

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I thought you'd been on the forum long enough to know that there was never going to be a consensus on an issue of passenger behaviour? :lol:
You make a good point indeed.
 

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Having spent most of my most recent journey trying (with varying levels of success) to stop myself from whistling "English Country Garden", I have come to the conclusion that not everyone is quite so intolerant of whistling as this thread might suggest. Or maybe Northerners are friendly and Southerners are deaf. (That's probably more likely.)

I guess I have the same problem with certain family members who dislike my whistling: unless you are afflicted by my dreadful misfortune, it's difficult to understand the how and why. I wouldn't compare it to speaking in tongues, but it's a similar balance - it makes perfect sense if you do it, it seems weird and illogical if you don't.

I get told it's quite a piercing noise, and I also get told it's quite tuneless (that is not to cast any aspersions on the accuracy of the observations, just to show that it does not sound like that in my head). I appreciate that my whistling can be tuneless when I try and switch between tunes, as that's when the sound bothers me and I realise I'm doing it. It may well be tuneless even when I'm whistling a coherent tune - it sounds decent to me and I have a semi-decent sense of pitch, but it may be different when I'm not deliberately doing it.

Given the (rather childish) "I assumed everyone would agree with me" quote, I'm probably fighting a losing battle. I realise that resurrecting a two-month-old thread to that end is not the wisest thing to do, but I have been thinking about this subject for a while in the meantime and wished to bow out with a bang :D

I genuinely cannot help it. A tune comes into my head, and, before I know it, I'm whistling it, and probably walking along to its rhythm for good measure. Any assumption (as there seems to be a lot of on this thread) that whistling comes from a root of malice and an earnest wish to ruin everyone's day (this may or may not be an exaggeration, but you get the point) is wrong.

I get that it's annoying for some people - but so are phone ringtones, pretty much every subject for conversation will annoy at least someone, unless it's fluffy kittens, constant coughing, sneezing, people eating crisps, announcement chimes, children, traction motor noises, laughing, keyboards clicking, you name it. How many of these should be altered in some way? Imagine issuing guidance not to eat crisps on trains because of the noise, or not to bring children, or to put your phone on silent, or not to talk about making yourself look as beautiful as possible and all the clubs you've been to lately, just because it will annoy the weird idiot with too much luggage next to you who wants to hear someone talk about musical theatre...

If it annoys you enough, fine, ask them to stop as you would any other matter. But don't be offended if, like the coughing and sneezing, it starts back up again, because for some insufferable people (like me) it is really, really hard to stop. And, try as I might, often I do get gently told, "You're whistling again, you know that?"

Public transport by its very nature is not going to be perfect for everybody - there will always be some element of the ambience which annoys someone. My bugbear is people overusing the word "like". Picking on whistlers for ruining the ambience fails to take the nature of it into account. If you want to have a perfect journey for you, with no noises to annoy you, your own music, and nobody else's conversation, go in the car.

I'm going to end up banned from forum meets now in case I drive everyone mad with whistling, aren't I...
 

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This thread has gone a bit 'I'd like to have an argument, please'.

The only people I've heard whistling on the railway are guards or drivers. Maybe I've just been lucky / unlucky?
 

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The only whistling l like to hear on a train is from a class 20 or 40 loco on the front. Sorry someone had to say it!
 

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This thread has gone a bit 'I'd like to have an argument, please'.

The only people I've heard whistling on the railway are guards or drivers. Maybe I've just been lucky / unlucky?
Drivers have been known to sing as well, I would always have a football one ready when passing the appropriate station - Hove, Fratton, Selhurst, Norwood Junction, New Cross Gate etc. not forgetting passing Stamford Bridge on the way to or from Kensington Olympia.
 

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Drivers have been known to sing as well, I would always have a football one ready when passing the appropriate station - Hove, Fratton, Selhurst, Norwood Junction, New Cross Gate etc. not forgetting passing Stamford Bridge on the way to or from Kensington Olympia.
Almost got in trouble once, in the middle of the night we picked up a Football Special from Lime Street @ Clapham Junction and took it down to Lewes where we were relieved, the four of us were having a deep and meaningful conversation involving the second verse pf a well known football song which was overheard by some people in the first coach who got a bit bolshy.

The train went on to Newhaven Marine and the supporters then headed off to St Etienne via Dieppe.
 
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I love whistling. I whistle right in the face of adversity and moribundidity at every opportunity. And there's nothing I like better than a platform-full of commuters flash-mob launching into "I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman" spontaneously on a dreich Monday morning. Newspaper boys, butchers cheerfully carving a sirloin, troops marching down the road - all whistling merrily away and enriching our lives: what could be better? Roger Whittaker - now there was a man who could muster a decent whistle or two. So whistle freely, that's what I say. As long as we feel the need to breathe out then why not make it as entertaining as possible?
 

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I love whistling. I whistle right in the face of adversity and moribundidity at every opportunity. And there's nothing I like better than a platform-full of commuters flash-mob launching into "I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman" spontaneously on a dreich Monday morning. Newspaper boys, butchers cheerfully carving a sirloin, troops marching down the road - all whistling merrily away and enriching our lives: what could be better? Roger Whittaker -- now there was a man who could muster a decent whistle or two. So whistle freely, that's what I say. As long as we feel the need to breathe out then why not make it as entertaining as possible?

Maybe he could -- but the twit didn't know what river Durham was on. (Irrelevant, admittedly, to subject of thread.)
 
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