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What's involved in setting up an open access operation?

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trebor79

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As per the question really.i don't mean obvius things like leasing rolling stock etc. More what are the prerequisites?
Can literally anyone ask Network Rail/ORR for some paths or do the management of the new OA operation have to have certain experience and/or competencies?
 
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As per the question really.i don't mean obvius things like leasing rolling stock etc. More what are the prerequisites?
Can literally anyone ask Network Rail/ORR for some paths or do the management of the new OA operation have to have certain experience and/or competencies?

You'd need a business case, a safety case, and a huge amount of money. That's the short answer, anyway. Business and safety cases that satisfy the ORR are a big deal and cost a lot to put together.
 

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You'd need a business case, a safety case, and a huge amount of money. That's the short answer, anyway. Business and safety cases that satisfy the ORR are a big deal and cost a lot to put together.

Strictly speaking, you don’t need a business csse for the ORR (more of that later), but you will need a business case to satisfy whoever is lending you the money (lots of it) to propose and operate the service.

What you have to demonstrate to the ORR is that your service will provide genuine benefit to passengers, and not be ‘primarily abstractive’ - ie it generates a net income for U.K. rail plc, without unduly affecting the income of existing operators. To do this you will need some complicated demand forecasting and revenue modelling, and not just say “it’s a no-brainer, innit”

You will also have to have progressed a track access application with NR, and demonstrated how the trains could fit into the timetable without affecting the contractual rights of other operators.

The safety case / licensing is another raft of documentation too. This can be ‘got round’ by contracting the whole operation out to an organisation that already has this, but then the one thing you can guaranteee out of that’s is that they will make a profit, whilst there’s no guarantee of that for you.
 

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Thanks for the replies,interesting reading on the other thread.
It seems to primarily be an issue of having some a lot of money to put a proposal together. I wondered if it was like the aviation sector where you need people with specific competencies if you want to obtain an Air Operation Certificate, but it seems that's not the case in the railways.
If you were doing an open access thing, why would anyone want to see traffic forecasts? All the risk is with the applicant surely, so if they want to waste a fortune on a poorly thought out trains service why should the DfT care? Perhaps because it might prevent a more competent operator establishing a viable service?
 

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Thanks for the replies,interesting reading on the other thread.
It seems to primarily be an issue of having some a lot of money to put a proposal together. I wondered if it was like the aviation sector where you need people with specific competencies if you want to obtain an Air Operation Certificate, but it seems that's not the case in the railways.
If you were doing an open access thing, why would anyone want to see traffic forecasts? All the risk is with the applicant surely, so if they want to waste a fortune on a poorly thought out trains service why should the DfT care? Perhaps because it might prevent a more competent operator establishing a viable service?
They do need many people with specific competencies. Their trains have to be maintained, safely crewed and operated, insured etc etc.

They need a traffic forecast in order to prove that their traffic is predominantly new to the railway, rather than being mostly existing passengers changing from existing services. Revenue must be mostly new, not abstracted from the normal operator.

ORR have a 31 page guide to starting mainline operations:
https://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/4434/starting-mainline-operations.pdf
There are all sorts of National and European licensing hurdles to get over.
 
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All the risk is with the applicant surely, so if they want to waste a fortune on a poorly thought out trains service why should the DfT care?
One of many reasons could be that if you have a poorly thought out proposal you might clog/block the network [1] preventing all the other operators from doing what they are supposed to do.
[1] either by trying to use scarce paths, or eating into the timetable resilience (more trains running means less spare space), or even badly maintained train breaks down in a critical place.
 
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