What do you want the NRM to restore next?

[Boothby97]

91110 is not the speed record holder for a UK domestic train carrying passengers. The 162mph record attained by 91010 occurred on a test run with a shortened, unladen, mark 4 rake.

No what I was trying to say is the reason why 91131 is joining the National Collection is because it was the last BR built electric. 58050 was the last diesel loco built by BR whilst 60100 was/still is the last British built loco.
91131 may well have attained the high speed run in passenger service but that's not the reason for its designation!

On another note, I wouldn't want to see a pacer in the NRM but it would be nice to see a 150, 153 and 158 in the national collection. 91131 should sit with a Mark 4 carriage and DVT. And I believe that the same thing should happen to 87001 with a Mk3 carriage and DVT. Also, when test coach Mentor is retired, surely it would be good in the Great Hall to show how the OHLE is tested
And maybe one day, they'll have 66001 (as the start of a dominant loco class) and 70001 (teaching the people of the future how not to build a loco )
Thanks, Sam

 

[sprinterguy]

No what I was trying to say is the reason why 91131 is joining the National Collection is because it was the last BR built electric. 58050 was the last diesel loco built by BR whilst 60100 was/still is the last British built loco.
91131 may well have attained the high speed run in passenger service but that's not the reason for its designation!

Yes it is according to the Railway Heritage Committee. They state both reasons specifically in their description:

Class 91 Locomotive no. 91031
Sir Henry Royce (last high-speed locomotive built for BR, and holder of speed record for train conveying passengers in Britain: 154.1 mph)

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60100 was/still is the last British built loco.

Last British built diesel loco, but what about the class 92s and Euro Shuttle locomotives that were both also built at Brush Loughborough after the class 60s?

 

[ash39]

Becuase it is a National Museum and SHOULD be free. I know that if you paid to get in many of my friends couldnt afford totake thier kids for a day out.

You may have the cash, many do not. THAT is why they have to generate a commercial return. A commercial retun comes from many sources. One is from trips behind famous locomotives.

Children should be free definitely, but I think over 18's should have to pay. I just don't see how such an expensive and vast operation can be sustainable long term without charging an entry fee.

Like the idea of short forming sets to give a representation of the train. Whilst shows these days such as Railfast last year featured steam engines hauling 2-3 coaches for novelty passenger rides, maybe in 50 years it'll be a pair of HST power cars with 1 mk3 or a 3-car Pendolino. Not a 2-car Voyager though, scrap them all

 

[Boothby97]

Yes it is according to the Railway Heritage Committee. They state both reasons specifically in their description:

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Last British built diesel loco, but what about the class 92s and Euro Shuttle locomotives that were both also built at Brush Loughborough after the class 60s?

Ok thanks for that.
As for 60100, I should have put last British diesel loco built, my mistake
Thanks, Sam

 

[DarloRich]

You should bear in mind that the HRA may disappear shortly ( is it not on the governments QUANGO death list?) which could render any listings redundant. I think the proposal is that the "power" to list something as worthy of retention pass down to the museum.

Children should be free definitely, but I think over 18's should have to pay. I just don't see how such an expensive and vast operation can be sustainable long term without charging an entry fee.

It is paid for from the tax pot. However, the museum has to earn money and they do that through commercial activities which range from corporate functions, through weddings to train trips, the gift shop and the tea bar. They also license several “trademarks” which brings in some decent cash ( see Caledonian Ale making a Flying Scotsman Ale)

 

[60163tornado]

They also have 925 Cheltenham on loan to the mid hants railway.

 

[GM078]

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Yes it is according to the Railway Heritage Committee. They state both reasons specifically in their description:

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Last British built diesel loco, but what about the class 92s and Euro Shuttle locomotives that were both also built at Brush Loughborough after the class 60s?

Out of interest, are any Euroshuttle locos and/or stock earmarked?

If all the 'modern' stock earmarked ultimately does join the museum I wonder will a further expansion be needed to accomodate it all.

 

[Robert Taggart]

What should the NRM restore next ? - THEIR REPUTATION !

 

[Chris125]

You should bear in mind that the HRA may disappear shortly ( is it not on the governments QUANGO death list?) which could render any listings redundant.

It's the Railway Heritage Committee that is to be abolished, the Heritage Railway Association is an independent and entirely separate organisation - thankfully the powers of the RHC to designate items will live on, and are to be transferred to the Science Museum's Board of Trustees.

Chris

 

[Kali]

Well, the Science Museum Group or whatever it is - which includes the NRM. Eminently sensible idea.

 

[60163tornado]

Thought this was what the museum should be restoring?, not making into a piggy bank!

 

[DarloRich]

Thought this was what the museum should be restoring?, not making into a piggy bank!

I give up :roll:

whilst the spotters might want 567324 overhauled the museum will overhaul something that resonates with normal people. That needs to be something they recognize.

 

[MCW]

i think something which the public can understand as being a milestone in the development of railways would be good.

Hardwicke is not a bad choice at all, or truro..... the coppernob suggestion earlier was a great idea. I know people will say 'yes but they are too specialised blah blah blah etc' well thing is, the tree engines I mentioned came from different periods of locomotive design and to be honest I think the average Joe public person would be more intrigued by something that looks older and still runs, which would generate more money for restorations and also help to get enthusiasts into the hobby.

Admittedly the diesel and electric areas currently lack variety, so I agree on the 306. A third rail unit wouldn't go amiss either, they are recognisable by many people as being the back bone of london and home counties commuting for about 40 odd years. this in itself is quiet significant.

 

[GM078]

I give up :roll:

whilst the spotters might want 567324 overhauled the museum will overhaul something that resonates with normal people. That needs to be something they recognize.

I agree. While I think examples of modern rolling stock should be displayed as time goes on, when it comes to mainline restorations it makes sense for the NRM to concentrate on what brings money back in. And that probably means steam locos hauling seaside specials to Scarborough. No point in spending money they don't have on something that won't attract Joe Public. It's different when it's a society specifically set up to preserve a particular class, etc, and can concentrate soley on it and its respective market. Of course that doesn't rule out such stock being cosmetically restored for public display.

 

[yorksrob]

I agree. While I think examples of modern rolling stock should be displayed as time goes on, when it comes to mainline restorations it makes sense for the NRM to concentrate on what brings money back in. And that probably means steam locos hauling seaside specials to Scarborough. No point in spending money they don't have on something that won't attract Joe Public. It's different when it's a society specifically set up to preserve a particular class, etc, and can concentrate soley on it and its respective market. Of course that doesn't rule out such stock being cosmetically restored for public display.

In the meantime all the modern artifacts will have rusted into the ground and wont be in a viable state to restore anyway !

 

[DarloRich]

In the meantime all the modern artifacts will have rusted into the ground and wont be in a viable state to restore anyway !

no - all the modern artifacts wont have rusted to the ground. I am pretty sure the 55002 King Own Yorkshire Light Infantry has been recently restored, is now main line certified and is ready for hire. Now i think that is kind of modern. (here is a picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/northeasternrail2/8207096532/)

What you mean is MOST of the EMU exhibits will have rusted to the ground

 

[60163tornado]

no - all the modern artifacts wont have rusted to the ground. I am pretty sure the 55002 King Own Yorkshire Light Infantry has been recently restored, is now main line certified and is ready for hire. Now i think that is kind of modern. (here is a picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/northeasternrail2/8207096532/)

What you mean is MOST of the EMU exhibits will have rusted to the ground

Same with Prototype HST

 

[GM078]

Well modern artefacts could still be restored for display, and indeed the odd one like 55002 to full mainline use. I just think expecting the NRM to be running all sorts of modern traction on the mainline might be a bit much, considering that the likes of Green Arrow have more revenue earning potential than a EMU, etc. (Which are of course still worth preserving and are part of railway history just as much).

 

[RichmondCommu]

In the meantime all the modern artifacts will have rusted into the ground and wont be in a viable state to restore anyway !

I assumed that this thread was concerned with restoring locomotives etc to full working order. Even if 87001 never run's again I don't think anyone is suggesting that it should or indeed will be dumped out in the open.

 

[yorksrob]

The title of the thread just asks what you would like to see restored next.
Whilst I wouldn't necessarily expect an EMU to be out on the mainline straight away, I would like to see the critical bodywork and structural work on the HAP to be done asap to get it in a fit state for display and eventual mainline running. I get the impression that the longer you leave this stuff, the less viable it becomes.

 

[RichmondCommu]

The title of the thread just asks what you would like to see restored next.
Whilst I wouldn't necessarily expect an EMU to be out on the mainline straight away, I would like to see the critical bodywork and structural work on the HAP to be done asap to get it in a fit state for display and eventual mainline running. I get the impression that the longer you leave this stuff, the less viable it becomes.

Oh I completely agree that exhibits should all be in a fit state for display and it would be a tragedy to see loco's and rolling stock of historical importance rot away. However, steam sells and more importantly is more popular with the general public and I'm not sure that the NRM could justify restoring an EMU to full working order.

 

[YorkshireBear]

I cant see EMUs being more than a display in the NRM but i agree the current situation is poor at best. They should be refurbed for display and have key components fitted to ensure they do not rot into the ground!

 

[DarloRich]

The title of the thread just asks what you would like to see restored next.
Whilst I wouldn't necessarily expect an EMU to be out on the mainline straight away, I would like to see the critical bodywork and structural work on the HAP to be done asap to get it in a fit state for display and eventual mainline running. I get the impression that the longer you leave this stuff, the less viable it becomes.

I agree.

I had focused on mainline running but there are several "exhibits" that need urgent attention to prevent irreversable damage.

 

[Spam Can]

Green Arrow (in BR green) + Midland compound (anyone who saw the pairing of Leander + compound over S & C will Know why)!!

 

[8stewartt]

they could always restore there ability to restore things then after that maybe finish the flying scotsman :roll: