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[Ducky88]

What did you lie about?

Really depends on what it was and how you spoke to the officer, were you polite etc.

 

[alexis]

I told him it was mine and then told him the truth that it was my sisters. I said i picked it up by mistake but thats not true either. And now i feel guilty about lying. Even though ill still be prosecuted either way. I wasnt rude to him at all.

 

[Fawkes Cat]

Im also unsure what to write in the 4.2 box.

You don't have to say anything there if you don't want to. As @island has said, and as the form says, that's not the place to say about how you're going to pay the court. So if you've nothing you want to say, leave it blank. If you're worried that they will think that you left it blank by accident, put something like 'nothing to add here'.

Incidentally, there's a few pages of the pack that you haven't shown us. Check carefully what it says in section 8: it might be that for this form they want details of your finances up front rather than them having to send you another letter.

 

[alexis]

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[Fawkes Cat]

I think @Fawkes Cat has given good and measured advice on this in the past so may be able to re-post something of help.

I never came back to the OP on this. Apologies.

Obviously, the interview you had the following day will now have been and gone, so don't worry about that any more. But if you're holding a place (or are still being considered for a place) then my suggestion would be to get in touch with the institution as soon as sensibly possible (so not now this minute - it's gone 5.30 and the chances are that all the admissions staff have gone home. Maybe tomorrow morning). Explain the broad details - that you've got an SJPN from TfL for fare dodging - and ask if they need to know about this just yet. Then follow their advice.

Our experience is that most regulated professions aren't keen on people getting convictions - but for many professions it isn't a total bar to practising. You may well have to explain in detail what conviction you have, and it may have to be considered by the institution and whatever body regulates your profession - but in my experience then as long as it's not directly related to your chosen career you probably will not be blocked. And I'm sorry if this bit sounds brutal - but if it does block you, it's better to know that sooner rather than later, rather than getting part way through your training and then finding that you've wasted your time.

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OK. You're going to have to give details of your income and so on in sections 8 and 9.

You might want to have a look at the Statement of Witness as well. We can see your name in paragraph 3 (the one that starts 'I said to M...'). You might want to hide that!

 

[alexis]

Thank you everyone so far for the help.

I had another question about the income part. I am unemployed and always have been. My parents pay for my rent as i live with them. Would i have to tell them that?

 

[Ducky88]

I reckon stating you are unemployed would suffice, but if you have never worked, then i would mention that.

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I told him it was mine and then told him the truth that it was my sisters. I said i picked it up by mistake but thats not true either. And now i feel guilty about lying. Even though ill still be prosecuted either way. I wasnt rude to him at all.

I think most people will lie in some form, I certainly did initially but like you I soon told the truth soon after. The only time it could get flagged is if you were uncooperative with the officer or was rude. Don't worry too much about lying.

 

[alexis]

Okay thank you very much!

 

[Gloster]

But make sure that everything you write or say from now on is accurate and true. You have moved into the legal process and making untrue statements is a very serious matter. But tell the truth when filling in the form and you shouldn’t have any such problems.

 

[island]

When the ticket inspector stopped me i panicked and lied to him, is this going to affect my case? (I did tell the truth after that it wasnt mine ofcourse)

This won't make a difference.

Im also unsure what to write in the 4.2 box.

You do not have to put anything there if you do not want to.

 

[alexis]

Hi guys, just recieved my letter in response. I have to pay £307.75.
It says it must be payed as a lump sum? Is there no way I can pay this off slowly? Im not employed so I dont have any income.

Also, have i officially been given a criminal record now? Im confused.

 

[WesternLancer]

Hi guys, just recieved my letter in response. I have to pay £307.75.
It says it must be payed as a lump sum? Is there no way I can pay this off slowly? Im not employed so I dont have any income.

Also, have i officially been given a criminal record now? Im confused.

I would suggest it would help if you could post up a copy of the letter you have received asking for this sum, so it is clear who is asking for this - of course remove all your personal details and ref numbers.

Then people can answer your 2 questions here more easily.

 

[notmyrealname]

Could you show us the letter please? Cover up your name, address and any reference number.

 

[Haywain]

Hi guys, just recieved my letter in response. I have to pay £307.75.
It says it must be payed as a lump sum? Is there no way I can pay this off slowly? Im not employed so I dont have any income.

Also, have i officially been given a criminal record now? Im confused.

If this is a fine and costs, then you have been prosecuted and will have a criminal record. The fine will be due to the court and you should contact the court to ask if they will allow you to pay in instalments.

 

[island]

Hi guys, just recieved my letter in response. I have to pay £307.75.
It says it must be payed as a lump sum? Is there no way I can pay this off slowly? Im not employed so I dont have any income.

Also, have i officially been given a criminal record now? Im confused.

We’ll need to see the letter to give a definite answer, but based on the information seen so far:

1) You can apply to the fines office of the court that issued the fine to pay in instalments. They will usually agree to this and can arrange for it to be deducted from your benefits.

2) You have a criminal conviction for a non-recordable offence.

 

[alexis]

Hi guys, just a couple questions, since this is for using the bus and not the train,

Does this count as an unspent criminal conviction?

Will it show up in dbs checks? And if yes, how long for?

Trying to apply to for jobs and im unsure whether to click yes or no for “do you have any unspent criminal convictions”

 

[Hadders]

You have a criminal conviction.

Given the profession you're trying to get into my advice is not to try and hide anything about this. A conviction for a minor public transport ticketing matter shouldn't adversely affect career options but what will be an issue is trying to cover it up.

 

[alexis]

I am not trying to hide anything, i just dont know the difference between unspent and spent and what category mine falls under

 

[AlterEgo]

I am not trying to hide anything, i just dont know the difference between unspent and spent and what category mine falls under

If the conviction resulted in only a fine as the punishment, then the conviction will be spent after one year from the date of conviction, assuming the fine is paid.

Unlock is a charity which can help with these questions.

 

[Fawkes Cat]

I am not trying to hide anything, i just dont know the difference between unspent and spent and what category mine falls under

As I understand it, 'spent' means that under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act you are no longer required to tell anyone that you have the conviction. 'Unspent' means that you are still required to tell them about it.

As to whether your particular conviction is spent - I don't know. I see that you showed us the charge sheet in post #28, and hopefully there will be someone around who can advise on when that particular offence clears. Otherwise, as someone has said above, Unlock's website is good.

 

[island]

As I understand it, 'spent' means that under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act you are no longer required to tell anyone that you have the conviction. 'Unspent' means that you are still required to tell them about it.

Correct – with the exception of certain “high trust” roles like senior management in banks, working in the law, or working with children or vulnerable people.

As to whether your particular conviction is spent - I don't know. I see that you showed us the charge sheet in post #28, and hopefully there will be someone around who can advise on when that particular offence clears. Otherwise, as someone has said above, Unlock's website is good.

The duration before a record becomes spent depends on the type of sentence (discharge/fine/community/jail) as opposed to the type of offence.

 

[Fawkes Cat]

The duration before a record becomes spent depends on the type of sentence (discharge/fine/community/jail) as opposed to the type of offence.

In which case, I think it is most likely that @AlterEgo has given the answer in post #45 above.

 

[Pushpit]

Hi guys, just a couple questions, since this is for using the bus and not the train,

Does this count as an unspent criminal conviction?

Will it show up in dbs checks? And if yes, how long for?

Trying to apply to for jobs and im unsure whether to click yes or no for “do you have any unspent criminal convictions”

If you are over 18 years old at the time of conviction it's 12 months from the date of conviction that you go from unspent to a spent conviction. That's the basic situation for convictions under 1 year of imprisonment with various ifs and buts. If under 18 years old then it takes 6 months for the conviction to be spent but there are further safeguards that apply to those under 18 years old. Once it is spent then you no longer need to declare it to your employer or college, unless there is a clear statement explaining why all cautions and convictions need to be declared. Typically this is for Enhanced DBS roles, but it's not just that.

For DBS it depends on the role and the type of DBS but normally this will not show up as it will typically not be recordable and usually irrelevant to your role. Some other minor convictions will stay on the DBS for 11 years. There is a lot that can be said about this, which depends entirely on the specifics (what job you are applying for, working with the vulnerable, supervision levels, access to controlled substances) so it's difficult to give reassurance without a lot of details. But whenever this question is asked, you have to consider why you need a DBS, and what triggered the application. If your employer asks "what spent convictions do you have", and they are allowed to ask that question, then giving a false answer is way worse than a minor convictions for fare evasion.