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Ultimate pacer ride for charity

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If such an event were to go ahead, I would of course help in any way I could :D (I REALLY like the idea!) - I'd probly end up just designing n printing all the publicity though (I sadly have no specialist train-related skills :( )
 
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First off, at no point did you say we would have to sit the whole time. I would be expecting all kinds of things happening, with people moving up and down constantly (and not just to access the toilet!), with games like Monopoly available as well (that would be an interesting game to play on a bouncy Pacer...!). And I would suggest that the rear cab door is jammed open, so that people can look out the back.

Anyway, you've already had two offers of help for this; don't we [blindtraveler and I] get a place in the group? There's no need to start appealing to celebrities, because otherwise (a) it'll just become a media fest and nothing else and (b) none of us will get a look in!


thanks Ivo, happy to help and would most definately be aboard!

Just let us both know what we can do!

 

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First off, at no point did you say we would have to sit the whole time. I would be expecting all kinds of things happening, with people moving up and down constantly (and not just to access the toilet!), with games like Monopoly available as well (that would be an interesting game to play on a bouncy Pacer...!). And I would suggest that the rear cab door is jammed open, so that people can look out the back.

Anyway, you've already had two offers of help for this; don't we [blindtraveler and I] get a place in the group? There's no need to start appealing to celebrities, because otherwise (a) it'll just become a media fest and nothing else and (b) none of us will get a look in!

Youd get a place on it yes, but only if you pay!! Everybody onboard, bar the drivers, would have to pay. It wont be cheap either. All that fuel used. Going to need a fair few people onboard to make the costs reasonable.

I reckon, with stops, your looking at 30hrs at the very least. It would probably be at least 24hrs with no stops at all. Thats at the very minimum.
 

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Youd get a place on it yes, but only if you pay!! Everybody onboard, bar the drivers, would have to pay. It wont be cheap either. All that fuel used. Going to need a fair few people onboard to make the costs reasonable.

I reckon, with stops, your looking at 30hrs at the very least. It would probably be at least 24hrs with no stops at all. Thats at the very minimum.

A rough estimate of costs? I'm useless at maths! ;)
 

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OK, fine. Let's have a look at the maths involved. The following is based on the shortest route available, as dictated by Railmiles: 920mi 50ch, and also on (slightly out of date) access and fuel charges available from Network Rail.

A 142 has access charges of 3.95p per carriage per mile (a 143 is actually 0.02p cheaper), which when both carriages' costs multiplied by 920.625 gives a total of £72.73 (to the nearest penny). This thread, from a couple of months ago, details fuel costs, and suggests that one litre costs approximately 70p for TOCs. There are 4.544 litres in one gallon, giving a cost of approximately £3.18 per gallon. If a 142 can manage 3 miles per gallon (DMUs tend to do anywhere from 1 to 3 and I would expect a 142 to be at the top end of that, although I'm not certain), we would require approximately 307 gallons of diesel, which would result in a cost of approximately £975; add to this the access costs and we are looking at about £1,050.

Don't quote me on this figure unles someone can verify it, but without looking I would have estimated about £1,000 anyway.

So if 30 people were to take part, allowing for administration costs, the hope of having a more interesting route that that suggested, and more, I would advise a cost per person of roughly £60 (which would be £1,800), on the assumption that the TOC(s) involved would be prepared to lend us a unit without charge, give the charity implications (and publicity). If they wouldn't though, well...
 

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You may have forgotten the poor drivers and guards...
 

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It's for charity. They would come along to be part of the effort. They would not be paying members of the party however, and would be "surplus" to the number of 30 I quoted earlier. In all there might be something like 50 travellers, of whom 20 are involved in the actual effort of getting across the country. Assuming the Sunday idea does work out, they could optionally *cough* LM *cough* ATW *cough* take the day off.
 

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Bit of an assumption, but yeah... ;)
 

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Or it may work as on usual tours, where the drivers just drive their relevant bit, then get off. The guards could do this also. We are probably going to have to hope the TOCs are kind and lend drivers and guards, or, as you say, those on their days off help out.
You dont want too many onboard that arent paying because that reduces the amount of money going to charity, and also makes for a more uncomfortable journey.

I have to admit i thought it would cost more than this, but your maths seems to add up perfectly well. Hopefully NR will waive track access charges though. They have been known to.
 

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The main cost would be fuel, as has been said drivers and Network Rail could possibly waive their charges. Plus if two pacers were used, that could mean double the money (depends on if it would double fuel costs)? Sure someone might be able to persuade a fuel company to give a discount on some diesel?
 

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The main cost would be fuel, as has been said drivers and Network Rail could possibly waive their charges. Plus if two pacers were used, that could mean double the money (depends on if it would double fuel costs)? Sure someone might be able to persuade a fuel company to give a discount on some diesel?

How about some advertising inside the train (with the odd TV video, which would almost subliminally show the company in a good light when their adverts are visible on the interior walls) in exchange for free fuel?
 

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The main cost would be fuel, as has been said drivers and Network Rail could possibly waive their charges. Plus if two pacers were used, that could mean double the money (depends on if it would double fuel costs)? Sure someone might be able to persuade a fuel company to give a discount on some diesel?

But would you get enough people to fill 2 pacers? Youve got to be pretty barmy (in a good way) to want to do Wick to Penzance on a pacer!!

Mind you, no worse than other supposedly long distance MUs!!!!
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How about some advertising inside the train (with the odd TV video, which would almost subliminally show the company in a good light when their adverts are visible on the interior walls) in exchange for free fuel?

Now you are hoping. I suggest first someone speaks to NR and one of the TOCs (Northern) to see if its even doable.
 

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Have just done the far north line from Inverness to Thurso on an inverness bassed class 158. For those who dont know they have been refurbed with same seating as FGW hSTs and it was quite a lively ride with about 95 percent of track being jointed. Its gunna be amazing fun on a pacer!
 
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