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Travel Irregularity Notice - Transpennine Express

Spedz

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Me and my girlfriend travelling Newcastle to Manchester Victoria.

She bought the tickets and got the 26-30 railcard discounts, her 26-30 railcard is valid and she believed that mine was too, as did I. We are both 31.

When on the train, the inspector came by asking for tickets. We showed ours and he asked for railcards, my girlfriend showed hers.

I had gotten a new phone the weekend before and as a result wasn’t logged into my Trainline app, so I asked the inspector to come back while I tried to remember which email I was registered with and logged in.

While the inspector went to check other tickets, I looked through my email accounts to figure out which one I had used in the past for trainline. While doing this I discovered that my railcard had expired in July (the train journey was in September).

I didn’t know what to do at this point so I decided to buy a new railcard. As I am 31, I couldn’t get a 26-30, so I went with a couples railcard thinking that this wouldn’t be an issue at all, and that the type of railcard presented didn’t actually matter, just that a valid one was provided.

When the inspector came back he explained that since the tickets were bought with a 26-30 railcard, mine was invalid, and that since I had only just bought it, he thought it was evidence of me trying to commit fraud. We explained we weren’t trying to commit fraud and genuinely didn’t know that what I had done wasn’t fine. I showed him the information about my 26-30 railcard expiring in July and I explained that we genuinely did think we both had valid railcards when the tickets were bought and we boarded the train.

Anyway, I provided my details, he took photos of the railcards, the tickets and my email saying my railcard had expired in July and printed the Travel Irregularity Notice. He said we would receive a letter and that he didn’t know what sort of outcome to expect.

Any advice about what sort of next steps to expect? I don’t have a history of fare dodging or anything like that and im not a regular user of trains.

I understand that I am at fault and need to pay for the full cost of a valid ticket (minus the discounted amount on my invalid ticket), is there a way to do that without having to pay an additional administrative fee if I admit fault now?
 
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Me and my girlfriend travelling Newcastle to Manchester Victoria.

She bought the tickets and got the 26-30 railcard discounts, her 26-30 railcard is valid and she believed that mine was too, as did I. We are both 31.

When on the train, the inspector came by asking for tickets. We showed ours and he asked for railcards, my girlfriend showed hers.

I had gotten a new phone the weekend before and as a result wasn’t logged into my Trainline app, so I asked the inspector to come back while I tried to remember which email I was registered with and logged in.

While the inspector went to check other tickets, I looked through my email accounts to figure out which one I had used in the past for trainline. While doing this I discovered that my railcard had expired in July (the train journey was in September).

I didn’t know what to do at this point so I decided to buy a new railcard. As I am 31, I couldn’t get a 26-30, so I went with a couples railcard thinking that this wouldn’t be an issue at all, and that the type of railcard presented didn’t actually matter, just that a valid one was provided.

When the inspector came back he explained that since the tickets were bought with a 26-30 railcard, mine was invalid, and that since I had only just bought it, he thought it was evidence of me trying to commit fraud. We explained we weren’t trying to commit fraud and genuinely didn’t know that what I had done wasn’t fine. I showed him the information about my 26-30 railcard expiring in July and I explained that we genuinely did think we both had valid railcards when the tickets were bought and we boarded the train.

Anyway, I provided my details, he took photos of the railcards, the tickets and my email saying my railcard had expired in July and printed the Travel Irregularity Notice. He said we would receive a letter and that he didn’t know what sort of outcome to expect.

Any advice about what sort of next steps to expect? I don’t have a history of fare dodging or anything like that and im not a regular user of trains.

I understand that I am at fault and need to pay for the full cost of a valid ticket (minus the discounted amount on my invalid ticket), is there a way to do that without having to pay an additional administrative fee if I admit fault now?
Buying the (or any) Railcard after you started the journey (even with the best of intentions) would not strictly speaking have resolved the issue anyway

BUT - it wasn't a bad call buying a Two Together Railcard because at least you can use it when travelling with your partner to both get railcard discounted tickets for the rest of the year ahead - rather than just her alone being able to get a discount- and she can use her 26-30 Railcard when travelling without you to get a discount on her own - tho have a good look at the different T&Cs that relate to the different railcards as they will likely not be exactly the same in terms of when they can be used - and you both need to be aware of that.
I digress.

Anyway

ref this:
I understand that I am at fault and need to pay for the full cost of a valid ticket (minus the discounted amount on my invalid ticket), is there a way to do that without having to pay an additional administrative fee if I admit fault now?
No - see below. They will typically regard the discounted ticket you bought as not valid at all and are likely to seek payment for a completely new ticket unfortunately. Though we do see TPE be reasonable about this so if they ask for less than that that will be a bonus.
The railway does not usually let people just pay the difference as otherwise everyone who just do that when caught and pay a discounted fare the rest of the time in the hope no one would notice.
It's usually advised to wait to see what they ask you when your case gets to the front of the queue and they write to you. When you get the letter head back here for more advice.


In terms of what is going to happen next the following general advice often given here will be of help - but of course ask as many questions as you want and people here will be able to answer them, or at offer an informed opinion for you.

Firstly, you committed a criminal offence by travelling with an invalid ticket and railway companies are entitled to prosecute you in the Magistrates Court if they want to. The good news is they will normally offer an out of court settlement to people who co-operate with them and who haven't come to their attention before.

Next, what happens is the railway company will write to you. The letter will go to the address that you gave them / on any of your ID they checked so you need to be able to access hard copy post at that address as they often send things that way (but also check e-mail and spam). It is extremely important that you reply, and you'll only have a limited time to do so (often 14 days from the date on their communication).

When you receive the letter post a redacted copy of it in this thread, along with your draft reply and forum members will proof read it for you. You'll find lots of example letters you can use in this section of the forum but the reply basically needs to mention:

- That you are sorry for what has happened
- What you have learned from the incident and will not do this again
- That you are keen to settle the matter without the need for court action
- Offer to pay the outstanding fare and the railway company’s administrative costs in dealing with the matter

The railway will probably offer you an out of court settlement. Expect to have to pay the cost of the fare for the journey you made at the full Anytime rate with no credit given for the invalid ticket you purchased. In addition they will charge an admin fee, typically £150. They will also audit your online ticket purchase history and if this shows you've purchased other tickets that were not valid (eg railcard discounted tickets when you did not have a valid railcard, or tickets for only part of the journey, or tickets bought after boarding the train you travelled on ) they will probably factor the cost of these journeys into the settlement offer. Depending on how many journeys you've made over the period concerned this could end up being expensive.

Settlements usually have to be paid in full within a few days of them being offered so if money is tight you might want to think about how you will raise the sum required at short notice.







 

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