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[185]

They aren't hiding this one....

A certain forum members train failed at one end of Leeds today totally blocking the job.

Had to be towed away by a dilapidated old Northern 150. Fabulous!



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[WillPS]

Trains do fail... it's not unheard of or some sort of scandal that First TransPennine Express have suffered one, and have had to couple up (a Turbostar I assume?) to a Northern train. Pretty standard.

 

[43167]

From time to time trains fail. Just like cars do.

As for Northerns 150's been dilapidated, I think not.

 

[mrcheek]

this certain forum member sounds like an idiot to me.

wow, a train failed. i bet that never happens to cars or planes.

try walking in future. and dont complain if your feet start to hurt after a few miles.

 

[43167]

In 14 years of bashing, out of all the trains ive been on, only afew have been complete failures and only 1 needed an assisting loco after failing between stations. Dont know if out of fuel counts as failed, but thats happened twice a 156 on the Whitby Branch & a 47 at Durham on a railtour. Others that spring to mind were a 47 on the North Wales Coast and the other was at Wigan North Western when the train arrived and the loco shutdown.

 

[142094]

I thought the couplings on 150s (BSIs IIRC) would be different to those on a 170/185? So how did it 'tow it away'?

 

[driver9000]

I thought the couplings on 150s (BSIs IIRC) would be different to those on a 170/185? So how did it 'tow it away'?

The 170s have BSI couplers. The 185s carry a Scharfenberg-BSI emergency adaptor.

 

[sprinterguy]

I thought the couplings on 150s (BSIs IIRC) would be different to those on a 170/185? So how did it 'tow it away'?

So as driver9000 basically says, 170s can work in multiple with 15X Sprinter units, as they have the same coupler design, and they regularly do: 158+170 formations on Scotrail, and 153+170 with London Midland.

The 185s carry a Scharfenberg-BSI emergency adaptor.

How does that work then? I had no idea there was such a thing, fascinating! I assumed it must be completely impossible to couple a 185 to a unit with a BSI coupler, even in an emergency.

 

[northernrailer]

Yes 170`s can couple to class 15x`s, i do believe there is a restriction in a class 170 coupling to a class 14x!! Like the previous poster says as long as the emergency coupler has the BSI coupling on the other end the two units can be attached, this is only permitted for rescuing the failed unit and would not be permitted in normal day to day service, only in times of emergency. The emergency coupler will have the class 185 style fitting on one end, and the BSI fitting on the other, so couple the 185 to the 185 fitting and the 15x to the BSI fitting. Its basically a tow bar with the 2 couplings on each end.

 

[sprinterguy]

Cheers for the explanation northernrailer

A Pacer+170 combination would be an odd sight. I'm not surprised that there is a restriction in place, given just how different the two unit types are.

 

[Crossover]

I would also hazard a guess that the emergency coupler then also allows no through electrical connections either? If so would that mean the unit being hauled would have no brakes, relying instead on the hauling unit?

 

[driver9000]

I've never seen the Scharfenberg-BSI adaptor in use but can only imagine it is a last resort use only piece of kit. The adaptor would work on the same principle as the loco-BSI/other in that the MU being hauled would be unbraked being attached to a main reservoir pipe supply to release the parking brakes.

 

[swt_passenger]

I would also hazard a guess that the emergency coupler then also allows no through electrical connections either? If so would that mean the unit being hauled would have no brakes, relying instead on the hauling unit?

Down here in SWT land, I remember them saying that the thunderbird 73s could only rescue a Desiro at 5 mph using the emergency coupling, as the unit was an unbraked load.

AIUI such a rescue has never been done, they always use another Dessie, and most of the 73s have subsequently gone off lease anyway.

 

[Wyvern]

Regarding the 170s - wasn't it part of the spec that they should be compatible with Sprinters?

They are from the same stable in any case I believe.

 

[route101]

Ive seen a 150 plus 170 and 156 plus 170 at Leuchars during the airshow.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Regarding the 170s - wasn't it part of the spec that they should be compatible with Sprinters?

They are from the same stable in any case I believe.

Well, the combined volume states that they are able to do multiple working with 150, 153, 155, 156, 158, 159 and 172 so I cannot see that there would be any problems with such combinations.