transmilenio - what can the UK learn from this system?

[radamfi]

Give it a rest, this is a forum about public transport and not to promote your extreme political ideology.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/conservatism

2. A risk-averse attitude or approach.

Many people can use Day, Weekly and Monthly passes and they can be used to connect onto other services.

But you are suggesting that people should purchase a ticket on a bus that involved a connection without paying twice? Its a good idea, but any journey that is over a few miles would be more expensive than a Daysaver.

Only because single fares are so extortionate in many parts of Britain now, and Manchester, which I sense you are using as an example, is a particularly extreme case of this. In most of Europe, most people don't travel on day tickets as single fares are generally much lower and include transfers.

There are a lot more bus stops than Tram Stops and Tram Stops have simpler named rather than 'something Road, something else Lane' that is seen on TFGM timetables.

The number of stops is neither here nor there. I doubt there is a country where there are more tram stops than bus stops. I'm not keen on the naming style used by TfGM. Most countries precede the stop name by the municipality, so within the same town you can drop the municipality name. There should be enough names available in each municipality to avoid such awkward naming.

 

[edwin_m]

Do you have any quotes to support this view are about public transport being for 'losers'?

A quick search suggest there is no definite attribution to Thatcher for the quote about people over [some age]* being on buses, the best being a secondary quote in Hansard:

http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansrd/vo030702/debtext/30702-10.htm

*the age seems to be quoted as 26 by most sources.

The quote about British Rail managers "if you were any good you wouldn't be here" is probably of a similar status as it was said, if at all, in a private meeting. But "the great car economy" seems to be definite.
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The Coal Fields were uneconomical, we couldn't afford to subsidise them, while allowing unions to try and overthrow democratically elected governments.

Probably so to the first part and I see you haven't provided any evidence for the second. But if the attitude of the government at the time had been different, and backed by some of the oil revenue that we have wasted, then it would have been a lot less painful for all concerned.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

A quick search suggest there is no definite attribution to Thatcher for the quote about people over [some age]* being on buses, the best being a secondary quote in Hansard:

http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansrd/vo030702/debtext/30702-10.htm

*the age seems to be quoted as 26 by most sources.

The quote about British Rail managers "if you were any good you wouldn't be here" is probably of a similar status as it was said, if at all, in a private meeting. But "the great car economy" seems to be definite.
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Probably so to the first part and I see you haven't provided any evidence for the second. But if the attitude of the government at the time had been different, and backed by some of the oil revenue that we have wasted, then it would have been a lot less painful for all concerned.

That is a lift out of Hansard with Don Foster repeating said quote.

Either way, it's probably a reflection of how divisive she was. No one can say we didn't need to change things as the country was knackered. However, the way in which some aspects were meted out was particularly and unnecessarily brutal.

However, the UK bus industry in that period haemorrhaged cash with a ridiculous cost base and passenger figures falling through the floor. Also, don't think that Labour were any less political or the NBC wouldn't have insisted on buying abysmal Willowbrooks.

 

[kevjs]

If you are only interested in your existing passengers then you don't need next stop(s) information. As long as those passengers don't ever want to go somewhere other than where they already go. I suspect it is no surprise that the few operators that are always quoted as being exceptional in the UK all have next stop indicators. If I read the earlier post correctly, it would appear that NCT in Nottingham even have the next few stops. Metrobus have the next few stops on their latest Fastway buses.

They do indeed, TrentBarton on the other hand don't, so when going to an unfamiliar part of town I tend to use NCT. Especially as trentbarton don't stop at all stops so you're never quite sure which your nearest is (there aversion to A and B routes means you don't even know which way the booming things are going)

 

[edwin_m]

They do indeed, TrentBarton on the other hand don't, so when going to an unfamiliar part of town I tend to use NCT. Especially as trentbarton don't stop at all stops so you're never quite sure which your nearest is (there aversion to A and B routes means you don't even know which way the booming things are going)

Latest fit-out on NCT has the next 3 stops on a LCD screen, but many older vehicles only have the next one on a LED display. Not sure if there are any left with no next-stop info.

TrentBarton have the next stop on LED on newer vehicles, older ones have nothing, but I've never seen any with more than one stop displayed. I only use a few routes of each operator so there may be other arrangements I don't know about.