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Thoughts: Lines that would make great heritage railways?

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alexl92

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This forum often plays host to discussions on which of Beeching's closures shouldn't have been allowed, or which lines need re-opening and it's been discussed almost to death!

So here's an alternative:
Supposing there was another raft of wholly irrational Beeching-style closures, which lines that are currently part of the national network would make good heritage railways?

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1. For the sake of this discussion, money is no object. Lets assume that there's major public & council support for your project even if its right next to a current heritage railway.

2. You don't have to justify why the line in question might hypothetically be closed in order for this to happen!

3. I'm interested to hear reasoning. So it could just be that it offers a ride through fantastic scenery, like Wensleydale, or has some form of historical significance either due to industry (Tanfield) or geographical significance - the Bluebell operate mainly SR stock/the Middleton Railway focuses on Leeds-built engines. Alternatively, does it offer the opportunity to run a certain kind of train you just can't run elsewhere (such as the windcutters on the GCR)? Does it offer tourist/commuter opportunities?

4. I know we already have a lot of heritage railways! Ignore any concerns along those lines for now.

For starters, I'm tempted to say that the Ilkley Branch between Guiseley and Ilkley could offer a good option - It's around 7 miles and has 5 stations serving small-ish communities. Most stations still bear signs of slightly longer platforms and could be back-dated by replacing the footbridges and modern signage/lamps quite easily. Could work similar to the Worth Valley branch offering a commuter service, although currently lacks infrastructure such as sidings and workshops. However, it probably wouldn't be hugely profitable - unless you could offer national rail connections to Leeds/Bradford. I think it could be made to have a real old branch line feel, especially if you managed to evict Waitrose from Ilkley Station!

Being really ambitious, I'm sure that marketed well, you could run the S&C between Hellifield or Skipton and Carlisle as a preserved railway using larger steam engines and 6+ coach trains. You'd need to get the 25mph limit raised though. Running most weekends through the year and 3 week days in the summer maybe?
 
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In my opinion any line to be considered as a heritage railway should be self contained and have space for a loco /carriage depot. Considering all stock running onto NR lines have to be fitted with TPWS, be approved for main line running, etc thus increasing operating costs thus
Most heritage railways are operated with volunteer staff and do not want to sign on duty around 0500hrs every day Mondays to Fridays to operate a commute service.
Accordingly suggest self contained branch lines with high peak summer service and low off peak service with little commuter traffic such as Liskeard-Looe or possibly Cromer to Sheringham
 

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The Bromley North Branch could be run by a heritage group on a Sunday? Plenty of space at Bromley North for a shed or at the end of P1 at GP and a very large population surrounding it. Would be perfect for one of the heritage electric (or diesel groups). If going down the steam route I guess top'n tail is the only option or a restored push/pull set or something like the GWR railmotor.
 

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The Bromley North Branch could be run by a heritage group on a Sunday? Plenty of space at Bromley North for a shed or at the end of P1 at GP and a very large population surrounding it. Would be perfect for one of the heritage electric (or diesel groups). If going down the steam route I guess top'n tail is the only option or a restored push/pull set or something like the GWR railmotor.

I like that idea. Have it open for commuters in the week, but run CIG's, VEP's HAP's and EPB's on Sunday !
 

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If lines that currently don't have a passenger service, but are freight only are eligible, then I would nominate the Lostwithiel -Fowey branch. Should the china clay trains stop running down to Carne Point and the line reinstated for a mile or so back to the site of the former Fowey station, it would be a perfect scenic/tourist branchline with one intermediate halt reinstated at Golant. At the Lostwithiel end a bridge deck over the River Fowey would need to be replaced, to keep the track from the existing branch platform fully independent from the mainline, there would also be room at this location for a small loco/carriage shed. Currently at Fowey, holidaymakers/tourists have to leave their cars at the main car parks high above and outside the main town, then it's either a small shuttle bus, or a steep walk down, then back up from the waterside, harbour, shops etc. Like at Looe, a rail service of any sort would do well here. Just a thought, not a huge amount of space for car arriving passengers at Lostwithiel though.
 

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Can I nominate the entire Northern Rail served area? <D seriously though as much as I l like see Middlesborough to Whitby handed over to the NYMR I doubt it will happen for similar reasons to why Oxted to Uckfield won't go over to becoming a preserved railway.
 

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The Liverpool and Manchester Railway would be the best steam railway in the country for historical reasons (First intercity rail line).
And besides there's alternative routes for standard trains.

If scenary is what counts then they are several.
Settle and Carlisle, Eskdale Line, Humberlinc Line, Wherry Lines, Cumbrian Coast Line, Tarka Line, Isle of Wright Line, Cambrian Coast Line, and Far North Line have some good scenary.
 

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Marks Tey-Sudbury just crying out for it
They have the EARM rail connected could run diesel heritage units for the commuters and steam at other times
Super views from the viaduct ,,,Ideal
 

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I don't know whether crying out for it is the correct term. It's a fairly decent commuter type service on that line which run very early and fairly late in the day and fail to see how heritage operation could match that and cover costs and provide an equivalent service.

Suspect it wouldn't and a useful public transport link quickly lost in favour of playing trains.
 
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Penzance to St Erth to St Ives with through trains for the whole length or just on the branch if use of the main line wasn't possible.

For traction, has anyone got a working steam railmotor or a 14XX with a coach?
 

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Unfortunately, Maps has stopped.
I'd love to see the Northampton-Peterborough line reopened. With the right service, and a couple of extra halts here and there, it would probably be a reasonably well used commuter service.
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Perhaps a heritage DMU service - 117/108 lash-up. Or top and tail 31's a'la Marston Vale.
 

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I'd love to see the Northampton-Peterborough line reopened. With the right service, and a couple of extra halts here and there, it would probably be a reasonably well used commuter service.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Perhaps a heritage DMU service - 117/108 lash-up. Or top and tail 31's a'la Marston Vale.

Isn't that Nene Valley Railway's aim?
 

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Unfortunately, Maps has stopped.
Maybe, but I'm not sure they'll get as far as Northampton, because
a)Bridge Street Station is gone
b)The A45 was built over parts of the trackbed
c)Officially, the 2ish miles from Castle Station round to Brackmills is still owned by NR, just mothballed. It is still actually possibly to signal a train round the Bridge Street branch. Interestingly, they've put up a couple of signs that state GSM-R doesn't work down there.
 

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I quite like Bourton-on-the-water - Andoversford with an extension to the outskirts of Cheltenham as a future project.

Reasons: Probably the most picturesque village in the UK with possibly the highest ratio of retired people as tourists. This equals more stuff for bored pensioners to do when visiting Bourton-on-the-water other than the model railway and tea rooms. Basically massive footfall potential
Also beautiful scenery, fairly easy to get to

Probably rock hard to get planning permission though yet the trackbed all appears intact from google earth
 

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If freight only lines were eligible, then I would nominate the old SYJR !
Some 95% of it is still in regular use, it has 4 of its original station platforms still in existance, has the scenic potential to attract visitors and has a good catchment area for visitors. The spur to Harworth is basically all there for an operating base.
Sadly most of the signal boxes have gone but for the 'wish list' folk I would say most of the line could be restored without too much difficulty.
Added bonus is regular through freight with more to come when iPort is built. Time to get real though, never going to happen !!
 

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If money no object then get rid of the speed restrictions and take over the Cumbrian Coast, Carnforth-Settle and S&C lines.

THEN..... reinstate the Little North Western (Ingleton), Coniston and Lakeside branches.

Tourist attraction par excellence with interesting stock running proper distances over majestic scenery.
 

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If money no object then get rid of the speed restrictions and take over the Cumbrian Coast, Carnforth-Settle and S&C lines.

THEN..... reinstate the Little North Western (Ingleton), Coniston and Lakeside branches.

Tourist attraction par excellence with interesting stock running proper distances over majestic scenery.

Coniston is one of my favourite places. I'd love to take a ride behind a steam engine up there if it were possible!
 

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Coniston is one of my favourite places. I'd love to take a ride behind a steam engine up there if it were possible!

Indeed, and what a shame that unique Alpine style station was demolished.

(Same for Lakeside I suppose)
 

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If freight only lines were eligible, then I would nominate the old SYJR !
Some 95% of it is still in regular use, it has 4 of its original station platforms still in existance, has the scenic potential to attract visitors and has a good catchment area for visitors. The spur to Harworth is basically all there for an operating base.
Sadly most of the signal boxes have gone but for the 'wish list' folk I would say most of the line could be restored without too much difficulty.
Added bonus is regular through freight with more to come when iPort is built. Time to get real though, never going to happen !!

Plus if you relaid the third half of the triangle at Firbeck Jcn you'd have a turning facility; only thing is the lack of suitable northern terminus, unless something were built near Kirk Sandall! I'm not sure there's the tourist potential in South Yorkshire, mind, but in a dream world!
 

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Dont dismiss South Yorkshire, large populations in Rotherham, Sheffield, Barnsley, Don and Don Valley but as they say ......dream on !
 
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