The 2010s: How would you define it?

[Esker-pades]

The 2010s... the decade where the railways went wrong

thats how i would sum it up

How do you mean? I would argue that the industry trying to make up for decades of underinvestment by going a bit too fast. I'm hopeful things will be quite a bit better in a few years.

 

[GrimShady]

I don't actually get my knowledge of climate change from Extinction Rebellion (which has some pretty unrealistic demands) - I tend rather to rely on stuff that scientific organisations say.



I think you're missing the point. Yes, a nuclear war was a huge threat..... IF it happened, and there was no guarantee it would happen. And I'd argue it was never really very likely to happen because actually the Governments on both sides did have a pretty good sense of self preservation. But the point is, it was never a certainty - so the fact that it didn't happen in the end, and we managed to carry on living just fine without being annihilated in a nuclear war is not a reason to start discounting the threat of something like climate change - which really is guaranteed to happen and to be very severe if we don't seriously start reducing CO2 emissions.



Sorry, but that's equivalent to saying that you're not convinced by decades of careful scientific research and an overwhelming consensus amongst the scientific community. I appreciate that news media is not always reliable and it can therefore be worth being sceptical about what popular mass media says. But the concerns about climate change - and specifically the impact on 'freak weather' really does come from reputable scientific sources.

As an example, look at this page from the Royal Society - which is definitely not the kind of organisation that is likely to exaggerate stuff, or to publish stuff without doing extensive checking for accuracy first. Map B on that page shows an increased risk of flooding due to climate change that covers most of Northern Europe, including the UK (although the map is on too small a scale to identify specific areas within the UK).

I think you're not aware of the fact that Her Majesty's Government at the time was utterly convinced an exchange was coming being a full or limited. We came very close to ending it all a few times in the 80s, interesting reading. Apart from the the end of the cold war these devices are still out there and still poses a threat to the existence of life much more so than Climate Change, they only have one use remember. Climate change isn't a certainty either its a prediction, Nuclear Winter is a certainty. Climate change can be dealt with as I've said before but I still argue the existence of a nuclear arsenal is far more dangerous.

The science can always be wrong, here's an example. For hundreds of years Mariner's have been reporting ship killing rogue waves. We were told consistently by scientists that these things only ever appeared once every few thousand years and it was all exaggeration.....until one of them recorded one for himself on a North Sea Platform. When further analysis was done the community then realised that these things went from one freak wave every few thousand years to one every week or less. Science still has no answer for quantum entanglement either.

 

[RealTrains07]

How do you mean? I would argue that the industry trying to make up for decades of underinvestment by going a bit too fast. I'm hopeful things will be quite a bit better in a few years.

Yeah next decade things should improve but the last 5 years it hasnt been that great

 

[Esker-pades]

Yeah next decade things should improve but the last 5 years it hasnt been that great

But did they "go wrong" (as you stated earlier), or did they just continue to be a bit rubbish?

 

[DynamicSpirit]

Climate change isn't a certainty either its a prediction, Nuclear Winter is a certainty. Climate change can be dealt with as I've said before but I still argue the existence of a nuclear arsenal is far more dangerous.

That the sun will rise tomorrow morning is, if you want to be completely pedantic, a prediction, not a certainty. But you'd be incredibly foolish not to work on the basis that it will rise tomorrow. There comes a point where so much science has been done and so much evidence has been found in favour of a prediction that, for all practical purposes, you can safely treat the prediction as a certainty. And besides, climate change is already happening - change in the climate have been extensively documented over at least the last 10-20 years, for which the only plausible explanation is CO2 emissions caused by human activities. To that extent, climate change is much more than a prediction.

Also worth pointing out that the predictions of nuclear winter are themselves no more than predictions. They have never been tested in reality - it's entirely theory based on modelling what scientists think is likely to happen as a result of a nuclear war. Personally, I have enough trust in scientific modelling that I'm happy to treat nuclear winter predictions as certainty (in the event of a nuclear war of course). But it seems very inconsistent that you describe nuclear winter predictions as a 'certainty' but actual climate change that is happening around us as we speak merely as 'predictions' Are you sure you're not selectively choosing what you want to believe rather than looking impartially at the amount of evidence that is available?

The science can always be wrong, here's an example. For hundreds of years Mariner's have been reporting ship killing rogue waves. We were told consistently by scientists that these things only ever appeared once every few thousand years and it was all exaggeration.....until one of them recorded one for himself on a North Sea Platform. When further analysis was done the community then realised that these things went from one freak wave every few thousand years to one every week or less. Science still has no answer for quantum entanglement either.

That's not really comparable. You're comparing a mistake made by scientists in an area where there simply had not been any significant research conducted with an area which has been the subject of very sustained research by huge numbers of scientists over several decades, and which is backed up by considerable theory.

 

[GrimShady]

That the sun will rise tomorrow morning is, if you want to be completely pedantic, a prediction, not a certainty. But you'd be incredibly foolish not to work on the basis that it will rise tomorrow. There comes a point where so much science has been done and so much evidence has been found in favour of a prediction that, for all practical purposes, you can safely treat the prediction as a certainty. And besides, climate change is already happening - change in the climate have been extensively documented over at least the last 10-20 years, for which the only plausible explanation is CO2 emissions caused by human activities. To that extent, climate change is much more than a prediction.

Also worth pointing out that the predictions of nuclear winter are themselves no more than predictions. They have never been tested in reality - it's entirely theory based on modelling what scientists think is likely to happen as a result of a nuclear war. Personally, I have enough trust in scientific modelling that I'm happy to treat nuclear winter predictions as certainty (in the event of a nuclear war of course). But it seems very inconsistent that you describe nuclear winter predictions as a 'certainty' but actual climate change that is happening around us as we speak merely as 'predictions' Are you sure you're not selectively choosing what you want to believe rather than looking impartially at the amount of evidence that is available?



That's not really comparable. You're comparing a mistake made by scientists in an area where there simply had not been any significant research conducted with an area which has been the subject of very sustained research by huge numbers of scientists over several decades, and which is backed up by considerable theory.

No the rising of the sun is a measurable calculation. You can set your watch by it to the nearest second. Predictions are upon the supposed out come of known factors, tide, wind, rain, and what we think the outcome will be of an extremely complicated system that still isn't fully understand unlike celestial observations.

You still not addressing the remaining existence of these weapons, they haven't disappeared and are much, much more dangerous than rising CO2 levels over the period of half a century which is easily controllable, artificial carbon syncs, changing manufacturing emissions, farming, atmospheric processors. The slow poisoning of the planet and in particular the sea is a much bigger problem, plastics for example. It's going to be very, very difficult to detoxify.

The Climate Change movement is soo charged with politics it's a struggle to believe anything coming out of it. I've listed much bigger problems above which nobody really seems interested in. There is much more to this than a simple scientific movement. Personally I look at anything in the political spectrum with extreme skepticism. Where's the extensive studies of Sols output and It's unique interaction with the weather systems?

Again it's another field where the think they know everything, where the think the can predict the outcome in 100 years... exactly the same as the rogue waves. It wasn't just a mistake we were all told it's all rubbish and they knew better. They don't know everything.

 

[fowler9]

No the rising of the sun is a measurable calculation. You can set your watch by it to the nearest second. Predictions are upon the supposed out come of known factors, tide, wind, rain, and what we think the outcome will be of an extremely complicated system that still isn't fully understand unlike celestial observations.

You still not addressing the remaining existence of these weapons, they haven't disappeared and are much, much more dangerous than rising CO2 levels over the period of half a century which is easily controllable, artificial carbon syncs, changing manufacturing emissions, farming, atmospheric processors. The slow poisoning of the planet and in particular the sea is a much bigger problem, plastics for example. It's going to be very, very difficult to detoxify.

The Climate Change movement is soo charged with politics it's a struggle to believe anything coming out of it. I've listed much bigger problems above which nobody really seems interested in. There is much more to this than a simple scientific movement. Personally I look at anything in the political spectrum with extreme skepticism. Where's the extensive studies of Sols output and It's unique interaction with the weather systems?

Again it's another field where the think they know everything, where the think the can predict the outcome in 100 years... exactly the same as the rogue waves. It wasn't just a mistake we were all told it's all rubbish and they knew better. They don't know everything.

Do you think the climate change movement is politically charged but people having nuclear weapons isn't? I think you have it the wrong way around.

 

[GrimShady]

Do you think the climate change movement is politically charged but people having nuclear weapons isn't? I think you have it the wrong way around.

Nope never said that, merely stating one is a much bigger problem that the other.

 

[DerekC]

Nope never said that, merely stating one is a much bigger problem that the other.

Not quite sure why we are having an argument about it. The two aren't alternatives. Let's get rid of nuclear weapons and do what is needed to avoid catastrophic climate change.

 

[hooverboy]

No the rising of the sun is a measurable calculation. You can set your watch by it to the nearest second. Predictions are upon the supposed out come of known factors, tide, wind, rain, and what we think the outcome will be of an extremely complicated system that still isn't fully understand unlike celestial observations.

You still not addressing the remaining existence of these weapons, they haven't disappeared and are much, much more dangerous than rising CO2 levels over the period of half a century which is easily controllable, artificial carbon syncs, changing manufacturing emissions, farming, atmospheric processors. The slow poisoning of the planet and in particular the sea is a much bigger problem, plastics for example. It's going to be very, very difficult to detoxify.

The Climate Change movement is soo charged with politics it's a struggle to believe anything coming out of it. I've listed much bigger problems above which nobody really seems interested in. There is much more to this than a simple scientific movement. Personally I look at anything in the political spectrum with extreme skepticism. Where's the extensive studies of Sols output and It's unique interaction with the weather systems?

Again it's another field where the think they know everything, where the think the can predict the outcome in 100 years... exactly the same as the rogue waves. It wasn't just a mistake we were all told it's all rubbish and they knew better. They don't know everything.

there are far worse weapons than nukes these days.
1)if baby bush is to be believed- there is such a thing as a race specific bio-weapon
2)the russians have some very big nukes, and supposedly the "elipton" death ray that sound like they got it from the war of the worlds martians
3)the yanks still have star wars
4)the microwave crowd dispersal things they have got jacked up as well,and now they cook people

that technology is 70 years old.

yesterdays killer app becomes todays de-facto standard.
To be honest it's a miracle we haven't had any sort of deployment since hiroshima/nagasaki

re:your take on climate change. I'm inclined to agree.
however what is driving the sun's weather system?
I'm of the belief that it is a big celestial physics phenomenon, of which people are really a very,very small part(in fact the erratic behavior of people may actually be linked to this as a symptom, not the cause)

the forces that we are talking about are

 

[Bevan Price]

To me, the 2010s have been a mixture - but largely nondescript and a bit depressing.

So -- Continued rise of extremist groups - although not (yet) as bad as the rise of Fascism & murderous Communist regimes after WW1.
Sadly, some of the problems arise from religion, when so-called believers distort & corrupt the teachings of God to try to justify their own evil ambitions.

The failure of many leaders to accept that global warming is a serious problem; a slow, continuous rise of average temperature is superimposed on the natural cyclic behaviour of the climate. So, don't be fooled by occasional cold years - the long term trend is to get warmer.

Greed culture; the gimme, gimme, gimme values, and the grossly excessive money given to a minority of already rich people.

Celebrity culture; why should anyone care if some minor actress / sportsperson is "doing things" with someone who is not their spouse / regular partner ?

Social media: same question as above. And a lot of it is only used to get personal information that you might wish was not accessible.

The UK economy: has got worse for many except those who were already "comfortable" or "affluent". Local councils have been starved of funds, leaving to closure of libraries, etc., and unable to provide adequate "social care" services.

Music; no real new ideas or trends. Some talented new musicians, but largely a continuation of the same sort of boring / repetitive stuff that came out since the 1980s.

TV drama: a continued obsession with never-ending soaps & continuing dramas, reducing the opportunites for innovative new material.

TV sport: a continued move away from conventional TV to "subscription only" outlets.

UK Railways: Belated, but still inadequate moves to obtain more rolling stock. Ever increasing fares, worsening peak hour restrictions, delay repay schemes making it increasingly likely that connections will not be held, even for only a couple of minutes.

The thought that, due to domination of the Labour Party by Militant Mark 2 & Far Left TU leaders, someone like Batty Boris could get to be PM for another 10 - 20 years. And the fear that, ever so subtly, someone like Boris might tie UK to the coat-tails of the likes of Bully-boy Trump...

 

[Cowley]

To me, the 2010s have been a mixture - but largely nondescript and a bit depressing.

So -- Continued rise of extremist groups - although not (yet) as bad as the rise of Fascism & murderous Communist regimes after WW1.
Sadly, some of the problems arise from religion, when so-called believers distort & corrupt the teachings of God to try to justify their own evil ambitions.

The failure of many leaders to accept that global warming is a serious problem; a slow, continuous rise of average temperature is superimposed on the natural cyclic behaviour of the climate. So, don't be fooled by occasional cold years - the long term trend is to get warmer.

Greed culture; the gimme, gimme, gimme values, and the grossly excessive money given to a minority of already rich people.

Celebrity culture; why should anyone care if some minor actress / sportsperson is "doing things" with someone who is not their spouse / regular partner ?

Social media: same question as above. And a lot of it is only used to get personal information that you might wish was not accessible.

The UK economy: has got worse for many except those who were already "comfortable" or "affluent". Local councils have been starved of funds, leaving to closure of libraries, etc., and unable to provide adequate "social care" services.

Music; no real new ideas or trends. Some talented new musicians, but largely a continuation of the same sort of boring / repetitive stuff that came out since the 1980s.

TV drama: a continued obsession with never-ending soaps & continuing dramas, reducing the opportunites for innovative new material.

TV sport: a continued move away from conventional TV to "subscription only" outlets.

UK Railways: Belated, but still inadequate moves to obtain more rolling stock. Ever increasing fares, worsening peak hour restrictions, delay repay schemes making it increasingly likely that connections will not be held, even for only a couple of minutes.

The thought that, due to domination of the Labour Party by Militant Mark 2 & Far Left TU leaders, someone like Batty Boris could get to be PM for another 10 - 20 years. And the fear that, ever so subtly, someone like Boris might tie UK to the coat-tails of the likes of Bully-boy Trump...

That’s pretty much how I’d sum it up Bevan. Well said.

 

[hooverboy]

To me, the 2010s have been a mixture - but largely nondescript and a bit depressing.

So -- Continued rise of extremist groups - although not (yet) as bad as the rise of Fascism & murderous Communist regimes after WW1.
Sadly, some of the problems arise from religion, when so-called believers distort & corrupt the teachings of God to try to justify their own evil ambitions.

The failure of many leaders to accept that global warming is a serious problem; a slow, continuous rise of average temperature is superimposed on the natural cyclic behaviour of the climate. So, don't be fooled by occasional cold years - the long term trend is to get warmer.

Greed culture; the gimme, gimme, gimme values, and the grossly excessive money given to a minority of already rich people.

Celebrity culture; why should anyone care if some minor actress / sportsperson is "doing things" with someone who is not their spouse / regular partner ?

Social media: same question as above. And a lot of it is only used to get personal information that you might wish was not accessible.

The UK economy: has got worse for many except those who were already "comfortable" or "affluent". Local councils have been starved of funds, leaving to closure of libraries, etc., and unable to provide adequate "social care" services.

Music; no real new ideas or trends. Some talented new musicians, but largely a continuation of the same sort of boring / repetitive stuff that came out since the 1980s.

TV drama: a continued obsession with never-ending soaps & continuing dramas, reducing the opportunites for innovative new material.

TV sport: a continued move away from conventional TV to "subscription only" outlets.

UK Railways: Belated, but still inadequate moves to obtain more rolling stock. Ever increasing fares, worsening peak hour restrictions, delay repay schemes making it increasingly likely that connections will not be held, even for only a couple of minutes.

The thought that, due to domination of the Labour Party by Militant Mark 2 & Far Left TU leaders, someone like Batty Boris could get to be PM for another 10 - 20 years. And the fear that, ever so subtly, someone like Boris might tie UK to the coat-tails of the likes of Bully-boy Trump...

very well said!
I'd like to add very bad re-hashes/re-writes of what were originally quite decent films to the list.
No new ideas

 

[LOL The Irony]

I'd like to add very bad re-hashes/re-writes of what were originally quite decent films to the list.

You need to go see Joker then.