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St Ives Branch platform lengthening and 5 coach services

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Your post was referring to the St Ives branch, which takes a whole 12 minutes to travel from one end to the other. SWR routes are not part of this discussion.
So providing anybody who really needs a seat, gets one, - (usually, fit passengers are only too keen to offer an needy person a seat, nobody is going to suffer). However, a 153 removing the cyclists from thepassengers can only be a good thing for all.
If I choose to add a comparison with SWR, that is my choice to do so. The length of time is not relevant when my reference is not about having a seat, it is about leaving people behind at St Ives and Carbis Bay platforms. Thanks.
 
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If I choose to add a comparison with SWR, that is my choice to do so.
This statement comes across as extremely arrogant and very patronising.
The length of time is not relevant when my reference is not about having a seat, it is about leaving people behind at St Ives and Carbis Bay platforms. Thanks.
If we engage with the comparison, I will again point out that SWR maintain the space for bikes at all times, but when passenger loadings are such that bikes cannot be carried without leaving people behind, they temporarily ban bikes to allow passengers to use that space. There is no reason the St Ives line could not do likewise. The provision of space for bikes is still a net gain for passengers at all times - passenger who wish to travel with bikes can do so when there's room, and there is more space for additional standing passengers when crush loadings are required.
 

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I will again point out that SWR maintain the space for bikes at all times, but when passenger loadings are such that bikes cannot be carried without leaving people behind, they temporarily ban bikes to allow passengers to use that space. There is no reason the St Ives line could not do likewise. The provision of space for bikes is still a net gain for passengers at all times - passenger who wish to travel with bikes can do so when there's room, and there is more space for additional standing passengers when crush loadings are required.
You must understand my perplexion at the suggestion of investing money into a cycle carriage, that you would then ban bikes from on very busy days (in Summer there are many) - and if you look at the Scotrail ones it doesn’t seem the safest to have standing passengers in the bike area anyway.

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It is interesting that this BBC article from 2022 focuses on seats rather than standing room. As the above poster said, it is only a twelve minute journey. My issue personally isn’t about seats, it’s about the amount of times I’ve seen people left behind.

Longer trains will be able to stop at all stations on the St Ives branch line following upgrade work to two stations.
Platforms at Lelant and St Erth have been extended as part of a £1.14m investment in the line.
It will mean trains with five carriages can stop at the stations providing an additional 2,000 seats per day from May 2022.
Dan Parkes, Network Rail programme manager, said it would have a "positive impact" on business and tourism.
He added: "These platform extensions open up the opportunity to increase capacity by 25% and provide up to 10,000 daily seats to and from St Ives and is the latest demonstration of our ongoing investment into this highly popular branch line."
 
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You must understand my perplexion at the suggestion of investing money into a cycle carriage, that you would then ban bikes from on very busy days (in Summer there are many) - and if you look at the Scotrail ones it doesn’t seem the safest to have standing passengers in the bike area anyway.

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It is interesting that this BBC article from 2022 focuses on seats rather than standing room. As the above poster said, it is only a twelve minute journey. My issue personally isn’t about seats, it’s about the amount of times I’ve seen people left behind.
Passenger with bicycles are as entitled to expect space as passengers with large pieces of luggage, push chairs, scooters (not electric) etc.. If the need is for as many people to board as possible, then the trains should be fitted out like the class 700/707/717, with maximum width aisles, luggage areas, and tip-up seats that have safe cycle stowage. Standing up in such an aisle is no more unsafe than any other open plan car. We have to acknowledge that lines that have a varying demand of passenger space will inevitably require compromises in the type of seating. There is no other way* that a service comprising a 100m long train every 30 mins., can reliably cope with the peak crowds that arrive at St Erth and St Ives on a surprise sunny day when the south coast is overcast.
* that is excepting a complete upgrade of the line enabling two train operation with a passing loop at Carbis Bay, in other words, dream on!
 

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I'm generally a big fan of cycle spaces on trains, for reasons that need not be discussed in this thread.

But on the St Ives branch? I can't imagine there's especially high demand for bikes. How far is the ride from St Erth, three or four miles? A bit hilly perhaps, but so is any ride of any real length you could do from St Ives.

Besides which, the vast majority of people bringing bikes will be changing to/from other services which themselves have limited cycle capacity, so what would be the point in providing dozens of cycle spaces?

In this particular location, ceteris paribus, it's really not something worth considering.
 
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