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In the Good Old Days I was able to get one train from Southampton Central to Penrith, and back without change. Now, that's all gone and with the new TT it seems to be worse. Previously you could change at Brum, but that seems out of the window now. Nationalrail.co.uk seems to suggest going via Waterloo and Euston...is that the same fare as via Manchester, et al?

Sometimes I wonder if it's easier taking the car and spending £40 each way on petrol!
 
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Unfortunately not:

rte NOT LONDON 700

VWC
(S/R)
FOS S 144.00
FOR R 288.00
SOS S 93.00
SOR R 186.00
SVR 8A R 113.30

rte LONDON 200

VWC
(S/R)
FOS S 252.00
FOR R 504.00
SOS S 159.50
SOR R 319.00
SVS 3A S 104.40
SVR 3A R 105.40


For the Off-Peak Return it is just under £8.00 more, but for an Anytime Return it is an astounding £133.00 more!

Although the Off-Peak Return (Rte London) is a far more restricted ticket than the Off-Peak Return (Rte Not London). The prior is restricted on the outward for arrival into Euston at or after 1005 and the return for departure at or after 0905. The latter is an unrestricted ticket valid at any time.
 
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The "NOT LONDON" saver was also an 8A: it could be used anytime. So, the fare may be more than doubling in places!!!

Actually, I can see journeys avoiding London quite easily. It seems to be change at Wolverhampton and sometimes another station, but it's possible, and much easier than faffing about in London!
 

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Unfortunately not:

rte NOT LONDON 700

VWC
(S/R)
FOS S 144.00
FOR R 288.00
SOS S 93.00
SOR R 186.00
SVR 8A R 113.30

rte LONDON 200

VWC
(S/R)
FOS S 252.00
FOR R 504.00
SOS S 159.50
SOR R 319.00
SVS 3A S 104.40
SVR 3A R 105.40


For the Off-Peak Return it is just under £8.00 more, but for an Anytime Return it is an astounding £133.00 more!

Less, surely?
 

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In the Good Old Days I was able to get one train from Southampton Central to Penrith, and back without change. Now, that's all gone and with the new TT it seems to be worse. Previously you could change at Brum, but that seems out of the window now. Nationalrail.co.uk seems to suggest going via Waterloo and Euston...is that the same fare as via Manchester, et al?

Sometimes I wonder if it's easier taking the car and spending £40 each way on petrol!

There is no problem changing at Birmingham just that using the simple search the planner finds the quickest route. Just go into advanced search and put NOT VIA LONDON in the appropiate box(es)

Peter
 

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Ah yes sorry the Off-Peak Return is less money via London (but more restrictive on time) but the Anytime Return is more money via London.
 

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Cheers. However, it still grates that what was so simple before with just one train now means one or two or three changes.

I hope my Disabled R/C just renewed comes through for next week. That saves a packet.
 

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I have decided that the amount being asked for travel via London is ludicrous and have looked up fares etc. for travel to Appleby via Carlisle and Leeds. 7 1/2 hours is no joke on a train (actually three) but the cheapest fare I found was £105 via Arriva XC to Carlisle then down to Appleby.
 

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But arriva don;t serve carlisle, or did you mean using the XC booking engine?
 

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Tried Scotrail for some fun, plus Arriva XC, and NationalRail. who diverted me to XC. Yesterday also tried Chester-le-Track.

Which reminds...excuse igmorance but are there sleeping car facilities from Euston to Carlisle? The train gets in after 0500 from London, and in theory I could have brekkie and then get a lift 35 miles to Appleby. The first train to Appleby from Carlisle seems to be several hours after the sleeper arrives. I have to be up at 4.40 three days a week, and zoom off 40 miles and back in the car so am used to early mornings.
 

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The SVR via London is good value, as it is unrestricted from Southampton to London. Additionally, SVR tickets with Railcards are valid on ANY Virgin train.

So you pay £8 less and can travel at any time.

SVRs valid via London from stations in the Network area to stations outside the Network area are unrestricted between the station in the Network area and London, and vice-versa.

Examples include: Colchester to Manchester is unrestricted between Colchester and Liverpool St; York to Milton Keynes is unrestricted between Euston and Milton Keynes Central, and so on....

So I think, in your case, it is a better deal going via London and avoiding those awful rattling mid-range Voyager DMUs.
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Which reminds...excuse igmorance but are there sleeping car facilities from Euston to Carlisle? The train gets in after 0500 from London, and in theory I could have brekkie and then get a lift 35 miles to Appleby. The first train to Appleby from Carlisle seems to be several hours after the sleeper arrives. I have to be up at 4.40 three days a week, and zoom off 40 miles and back in the car so am used to early mornings.
Yes, but the berth upgrade price is the same regardless of distance.

It was approx £35 to share a berth, and £52 to have a berth to yourself last time I used it.

You may still get a twin berth to yourself at the lower price - indeed, book from WFJ to CAR and you have a very good chance!! (You can still board at EUS and just tell the attendant you changed your travel plans - your ticket is valid so there is no problem doing that)
 

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What's the cheapest SVR then Soton-Penrith NL? Via London?

I might just take up the idea of going by Schleppwagen to Carlisle. I assume Mr/Miss Attendant tells you you are about to get there?
 

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What's the cheapest SVR then Soton-Penrith NL? Via London?

I might just take up the idea of going by Schleppwagen to Carlisle. I assume Mr/Miss Attendant tells you you are about to get there?

Cheapest Saver (Off-Peak Return) is priced at £105.40, Route London.
 

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Ta!

Any idea what the cheapest OPR is to Appleby via London and Carlisle and via Leeds?

I hope I get my Disabled R/C any day now to get my discount. Like an iriot I forgot to renew it in August when it ran out.
 

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Any idea what the cheapest OPR is to Appleby via London and Carlisle and via Leeds?

Fares from NFM 01 valid until 1 Jan 2009:

SOUTHAMPTON CTL to APPLEBY

rte +ANY PERMITTED
XEC
FOR 419.00
SOR 301.00
WKR 151.50 1S (OUT Fri or Sat, no break; RTN 4 days, not Fri)
SVR 183.50 1V (M-F: OUT Not from London 0645-0815 or 1559-1745, no break; RTN Arr London from 1020)
SSR 117.00 9D (M-F: OUT from Kings X 0929-1457 or from 1859, no break; RTN Arr Kings X from 1117. OUT from Euston 0915-1514; RTN Arr Euston from 1059)

With your Disabled Person's Railcard, these fares become:
FOR DIS 276.55
SOR DIS 198.65
WKR DIS 100.00 1S
SVR DIS 121.10 1V
SSR DIS 77.20 9D

My NFM 02 CD should arrive about the same time as your railcard!

John
 

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Thanks! What code is a WKR please? The mind is boggling!

I may have to choose to go Soton - Penrith as that's the earliest arrival. Darn that they got rid of the direct service to Penrith NL!
 

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Thanks! What code is a WKR please? The mind is boggling!

I may have to choose to go Soton - Penrith as that's the earliest arrival. Darn that they got rid of the direct service to Penrith NL!

WKR = Weekender return.
Out by any train on a Friday or Saturday.
Return by any train within 4 days.
Not valid for return on Friday.
Not valid for break of outward journey.

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I might just take up the idea of going by Schleppwagen to Carlisle. I assume Mr/Miss Attendant tells you you are about to get there?
Yes, they do, and they will give you a (very cheap) breakfast before your stop. This will be at silly o'clock if arriving at Carlisle. If you let them know how long before the stop you want to be woken up, if they're good they will wake you up at that time.
 

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Yes, they do, and they will give you a (very cheap) breakfast before your stop. This will be at silly o'clock if arriving at Carlisle. If you let them know how long before the stop you want to be woken up, if they're good they will wake you up at that time.

Do you mean cheap in a good way (as in wow I get all this) or as in 'cheap' - (I paid how much and just got this style)?
 

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The breakfast on board, even for FC passengers, is apparently dire. Standard only get a very basic continental breakfast, not worth travelling for of which I promise you! Better off going to Upper Crust for something!
 

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The breakfast on board, even for FC passengers, is apparently dire. Standard only get a very basic continental breakfast, not worth travelling for of which I promise you! Better off going to Upper Crust for something!

The army have been looking into replacing depleted uranium rounds with the croissants served on the Caledonian sleeper, I heard.
 
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