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Hail all! <D
Earlier today I decided to take a quick trip into Nottingham as I was staying nearby, and I'd also been wanting to explore the city's tram system for quite a while as well. For the curious, here's a quick run-down of how I got on...With a bit of an emphesis on Der Straßenbahnen in view to this being a railway forum! 8)

Rather than catch the bus straight into Nottingham, I decided to save both time and the fare by changing at Phoenix Park and entering Nottingham by tram. This was not only faster, but also meant that I had a good excuse for doing a bit of tram bashing on the way back to the bus stop as well. :)

<Tram froth - Part I>
The first thing that struck me about the trams themselves was their accelleration. Although I'd read up on the system the previous night - And I'm all too aware that they have a very low max speed of only 50mph - The actual accelleration to that 50mph was quick enough to catch me quite off guard (Despite my being a veteran of the Vehrkerswerbund Rein-Ruhr, A.K.A "VRR") and though I can't quite place my finger on why it is, something about those trams makes 50mph feel a lot faster than it is. I suppose that this could be due to the low floor being close to rail level, but that's a pure guess. To be honest I don't care either...As long as I can someday experience one of these things doing 125mph or more! <D

Another thing that struck me about them as we were passing The Forest was the trams capability on rather sharp gradients. Although I'd guess that the Sheffield SuperTram climbs steeper hills, I'm not aware of the NET trams having any modifications done to allow this, whereas the Sheffield trams IIRC use specially re-engineered gearboxes and/or motors. Either way though, the NET vehicles certainly proved quite adept at hauling 50+ ton of gross weight up Forest Hill without any reduction in performance...And as ye all know already, even I can stand vehicles with low speeds if they have some good "S*** off a shovel" accelleration to make up for it! 8)

Shifting off of the vehicles themselves, I notice that NET chose to use the German principle on their system, with trams calling at stops on request much in the same way as buses. Am I right in thinking that Nottingham CC might've done a fact-finding week on the VRR (Or some other German system) when they were looking at existing systems to base theirs around? :)
</tram froth>

Upon arriving at Station Street, I decided to have a quick peek around Nottingham Midland station just to see what was there, and was pleasantly surprised to see 43060+43066 standing in the station, ready to work 1B43 down to St. Pancras.
Now this is a set that I've been curious about for a while, as it is the only set I'm aware of that still bears it's previous MML livery - Also being the MML set that I'd caught in a rush during my ALR a while ago, but had not been able to note down - So being able to make a belated stock note was a good thing in itself. 8)

I have also long suspected that this set may still be running Valenta's (Although they're probabally VP185's and I'm a crap HST spotter! :lol:) and I tried to double-check by dashing to the eastern end of the platform to listen to the engines as it left the station. Now I don't know how things work at Nottingham Midland nowadays, but would someone mind telling me how on Earth a train bound for St. Pancras (South East of Nottingham) ends up departing the station to the west?
I'd thought I was in a relatively good spot, only to see the train pull out away from me. Scratch another mark for crappest enthusiast of the year then! :oops::lol:

After this interesting (And rather embarassing) sighting, I decided to cover the line to Hucknell to make the most of my NET day pass. Again the journey out of town was pretty fast and enjoyable on it's own, but once we'd passed onto the reclaimed P-Way on the Robin Hood line the tram felt more like a Pendo without the tilty bit! 8)

<Tram froth - Part II>
It's a shame that the line only currently goes between Hucknall and Station Street. Although I'm already aware of the current plans for two new lines running south of Midland station, I'd just love to experience one of those trams being over-thrashed on a non-stop run between Hucknell and Clifton, right in the middle of the night, with the tram not stopping or slowing for anything...Just imagine how many chavs and rood-bois we'd be scraping off of the underbody afterwards! <D

Another slight shame for me during the day was not being able to get one particular tram on my runs through the city, as - Though I did see this certain tram in my travels - It was sadly parked at the spare platform at Forest, festooned with "Not in Service" notices, and evidently experiencing a few operational difficulties. :(

Now I happen to be a major fan of BAL-SAGOTH, whose front-man - Byron, by name - Is oft referred to as "Lord Byron" simply because of his truly immortal way with words. Coincidentally, NET tram 205 is also named "Lord Byron"...Although the naming of said tram might refer to the famous poet of c.1790CE, and not the Immortal Metal God of c.1990CE. That's assuming that none of the managers at NET are strong fans of Epic British Metal, though! <D
</tram froth>

My trip to Hucknell was followed up with some other stuff, mainly taking a peek at the blight that is the Victoria shopping centre (Which once used to be a truly magnificent station on the GCR before the modernist wbankers of the 1960's got hold of it! <(), drifting around town to build-up some local route knowlege, taking a good look at the statue of Robin Hood and his completely smashed merry men before Notts CC get half a chance to remove them, and also taking a gander at the Castle and it's sandstone plinth from the outside. :)

After a while, ancient curiosity and nostalga got the better of me as I was passing Games Workshop on the way back into town, and I took the opportunity to update myself on news from the Imperium after not having played Warhammer 40,000 for the best part of ten years. As to be expected, prices have gone up a lot since I last played. Both genres of Warhammer are now on version V (I never played Fantasy, but stopped playing 40K shortly after the release of ver III), and the Black Library now churn out enough print each year to keep even major booksellers like Amazon busy.
I was also reminded by another customer - And only the Gods Themselves know how I could have forgotton - That Games Workshop HQ/Warhammer World was only just down the road in Lenton. Best of all, he was on the way down there to use the larger gaming space available, and was happy to show me the way to a place that only ten years ago I would've literally jumped at the chance of visiting! 8)

Anyhow...I have to say that Warhammer World is well worth a visit - Even if ye don't have any interest in tabletop battle gaming whatsoever, and don't know/care what a "D6" is. Aside from the massive amount of paraphenalia for gamers and collectors, there's a truly engrossing fantasy world attached to the whole that could easily catch and enthrall the mind of just about anyone. For those who like intricate artworks, the Citadel showcase room on the top floor is well worth a visit (Showing many minatures featured in White Dwarf over the years). The central floor has a Games Workshop store, a mahoosive gaming area with some seriously impressive battlegame scenery to hand, staff on hand who are happy to explain the rules and teach the games to anybody who's interested (GW games aren't just for teenagers; There were a few groups of 40-somethings, and even an OAP group playing today! :)) and for those who like nothing more than to have their Ale served properly in a decent tankard insted of one of those strange "glasses" that taverns use nowadays, ye'd be hard pressed to find a better bar than Bugman's! <D

At this point however, the Sun was starting to hang low in the sky and - Knowing that "Nottingham", "safe" and "night" seldom fit in the same sentance - I decided to return home whilst I sill had the chance, and had as equally enjoyable a journey home as I had arriving in Nottingham. 8)
Incidentally; On one of the first trams that I used (I think it was the 11:49 ex Phoenix) someone greeted me completely out of the blue just as they were alighting at Old Market Square. Now I know that several RailUK members live in Nottingham, so was it someone from here who recognised me...Or was it just a random friendly greeting? :)

Farewell for now, and many thanks to NET for showing me that we English can run a tram system just as well as the Germans! <D
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Hi Death

Thanks for sharing your story. I haven't been on NET either but would like to take a trip one time soon! I wonder if it would be possible to take a trip on all UK light rail systems outside of London in one day...
 

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BTW The trams stop at all stops anyway. Dont ask me why the put the stopping things on them. They only make around 35 near the forest AFAIK, with the 50 only being on the stretch after wilkinsons street when it joins the robin hood line
 

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BTW The trams stop at all stops anyway. Dont ask me why the put the stopping things on them. They only make around 35 near the forest AFAIK, with the 50 only being on the stretch after wilkinsons street when it joins the robin hood line
The stops with the exception of Station Street, Old Market Square, Wilkinson Street, Phoenix Park, Bulwell and Hucknall are all request as far as I am aware.
 

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I wonder if it would be possible to take a trip on all UK light rail systems outside of London in one day...
Probabally be very difficult, I'm afraid. Working from my memory alone; That'd have ye visiting Manchester, Newcastle, Sheffield and Nottingham all in a day at the very least...That's assuming that the Iarnród Éireann DART doesn't count, and I havn't forgotton any others.
Even if it was possible with train timetables like they are, ye'd only get time in each city for a two-stop return...And on most LR systems, the best performance and working happens well outside of the city centres...As the following quote from MCR 24/7 suggests! 8)

They only make around 35 near the forest AFAIK, with the 50 only being on the stretch after wilkinsons street when it joins the robin hood line.

--- Previous quoted for truth / Following quoted for reply: ---

BTW The trams stop at all stops anyway. Dont ask me why the put the stopping things on them.
If the German approach is anything to go by, those stop bells are probabally used during the early morning and late at night, when trams have less than the "usual" amount of time to complete journeys and are only expected to stop 4-8 times en-route.
On the other hand though, it might just be that Bombardier fit those parts as standard on all trams...And with it probabally costing more to have those left out of the order (Or uglier to tear 'em out on receipt and leave nasty holes all over the place) NET probabally decided there was no harm leaving 'em in. :)

Anyhow...I've managed to get the report in my OP fully done now, if anyone wants to see it finished! <D
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The stops with the exception of Station Street, Old Market Square, Wilkinson Street, Phoenix Park, Bulwell and Hucknall are all request as far as I am aware.

I've never seen a tram go through a stop without stopping in service, even when no-one was getting on or off.
 

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Hi Death

Thanks for sharing your story. I haven't been on NET either but would like to take a trip one time soon! I wonder if it would be possible to take a trip on all UK light rail systems outside of London in one day...

London, Sheffield, Manchester, Edinburgh, Nottingham, Birmingham, and Blackpool...

It COULD probably be done actually... Somehow, say you only went a stop on each!
 

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I've never seen a tram go through a stop without stopping in service, even when no-one was getting on or off.

I've been on one which didn't stop at Basford, although that was a few years back.
 

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I've never seen a tram go through a stop without stopping in service, even when no-one was getting on or off.
I have, I've ran through Lace Market, High School, Noel Street, Beaconsfield Street, Basford, David Lane, Cinderhill and Butler's Hill non-stop before. This was a number of years back so it could be that policy has changed or certain drivers tend to stop these days.
 

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The stops with the exception of Station Street, Old Market Square, Wilkinson Street, Phoenix Park, Bulwell and Hucknall are all request as far as I am aware.

And of course Highbury Vale.

Those are the only compulsery stops, its right to think that like buses they can run through stations without stopping if there are no passengers at the platform and no-one has requested the tram to stop. However since opening passenger usage continues to grow and it is now very unlikely you will pass a tram stop unlike when it first opened.

In other news Lines 2 and 3 have been given final government approval.
http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/n...gham-tram/article-1213835-detail/article.html

Incidentally Death, Nottingham is a very safe city even at night despite what you read or hear, its usually best to actually experience things before making opinions.
 

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Yes it does, and IMO Blackpool counts as a First-generation tramway rather than an LRT system.

Does the Glasgow Underground System count ??? And how about the Seaton tramway in East Devon that is like a preserved tramway although it's miles from the 'normal' systems.
 

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London, Sheffield, Manchester, Edinburgh, Nottingham, Birmingham, and Blackpool...
It COULD probably be done actually... Somehow, say you only went a stop on each!
If we're counting Blackpool in that list, then we might also need to include the Great Orme Tramway in Llandudno, several other smaller heritage tram systems (I believe there is one somewhere around Matlock Bath, isn't there?), and possibly - Owing to it's unusual arrangement, nonstandard guage, and low vehicle weight - The Snowdon Mountain Railway as well! :razz:

Just for the avoidence of doubt though, what actually counts as a Tram system for the purposes of such a list? The Gt. Orme tram for example - Though running along public highways, carrying fare paying passengers, and forming part of LLandudno's transportation network - Could also be regarded as two Funicular railways connected together and thus not a real tram...Yet if we adopted that view, we'd also have to rule out San-Francisco's cable-hauled system which most certainly IS a proper tram! :shock::!:

doesn't the Newcastle Metro count as light rail?
In my view it does, hence why I included Newcastle in my original suggestive list. Having said that though, doesn't the Tyne & Wear Metro - Despite it's light vehicles - Actually use heavy rail p-way? If so, what safety measures (If necessary) are in place to allow them to operate alongside heavy rail traffic? :)

Those are the only compulsery stops, its right to think that like buses they can run through stations without stopping if there are no passengers at the platform and no-one has requested the tram to stop.
I did have a possible instance of that at Highbury Vale yesterday, as no-one on board had requested the stop and AFAICR the only person on the Hucknell platforms appeared to be waiting for a Northbounde service. The driver still bought us to a stop and released the doors, although we pulled away again very soon afterwards. I'd guess that the doors were released for all of three seconds, if even that! :)

In other news Lines 2 and 3 have been given final government approval. NET lines 2 & 3 get the Green Light!
Yayyy...Either Lord Adonis is finally twisting the arms of those in Parlament to see common sense in investing in public transport, or the Government are finally opening their eyes to the same. Either way though, this is a great piece of news! <D

Incidentally Death, Nottingham is a very safe city even at night despite what you read or hear, its usually best to actually experience things before making opinions.
I'd been fore-warned by several people about how rough Nottingham can be - Especially at night - And consequently I did take some sensible precautions when visiting the place just to be sure. I was glad to see that in the city centre, there is a good Police/PCSO presence during the day and that the presence of both driver and conductor meant that I felt very safe when using the trams...But on the same token I would've been very nervous on my walk along the canal to and from Lenton had I not had a local with me, given the number of chav/rood-boi groups that we had to pass en-route.

As it was, I was alright in the city centre itself...But on the road sections to and from Lenton (Outside of the area of intense Police observation) I did get a lot of verbal abuse hurled at me by chavs etc. in passing cars, just because I'm a Metalhead! <(

I suppose though, ones experience of Nottingham may vary depending on what kind of person - And how close to "the norm" - They may be. My experience was good for the most part, but I get the first-hand impression that if I went there at night, I probabally wouldn't enjoy it too much. :|

Farewell... <D
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If we're counting Blackpool in that list, then we might also need to include the Great Orme Tramway in Llandudno, several other smaller heritage tram systems (I believe there is one somewhere around Matlock Bath, isn't there?), and possibly - Owing to it's unusual arrangement, nonstandard guage, and low vehicle weight - The Snowdon Mountain Railway as well! :razz:

Just for the avoidence of doubt though, what actually counts as a Tram system for the purposes of such a list? The Gt. Orme tram for example - Though running along public highways, carrying fare paying passengers, and forming part of LLandudno's transportation network - Could also be regarded as two Funicular railways connected together and thus not a real tram...Yet if we adopted that view, we'd also have to rule out San-Francisco's cable-hauled system which most certainly IS a proper tram! :shock::!:

I think you could safely discount the Great Orme Tramway as it's a point-to-point system, with only two stations (except for changing trams at Halfway to keep cable lengths tolerable).

As for the Snowdon Mountain Railway: surely you're into heritage narrow gauge steam now?
 
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