Slateford to Glasgow?

[reb0118]

Are tickets from Slateford to Glasgow Cen/Qst valid to Glasgow Queen Street via Falkirk?

 

[CarterUSM]

Are tickets from Slateford to Glasgow Cen/Qst valid to Glasgow Queen Street via Falkirk?

Good question, I would tend to think so though. While the routing bods are at it, could they also check the validity of a pollokshaws west to kilmarnock season ticket travelling from Glasgow central. (Sorry for the small hijack)

 

[reb0118]

Good question, I would tend to think so though. While the routing bods are at it, could they also check the validity of a polishes west to almanack season ticket travelling from Glasgow central. (Sorry for the small hijack)

No worries. I came across an SDR yesterday from Slateford to Glasgow Queen Street +bus with a YP discount. It's a fair bit cheaper than the Edinburgh to Glasgow equivalent but as I wasn't sure I let it go & will try to get a definite answer for the future.

 

[CarterUSM]

No worries. I came across an SDR yesterday from Slateford to Glasgow Queen Street +bus with a YP discount. It's a fair bit cheaper than the Edinburgh to Glasgow equivalent but as I wasn't sure I let it go & will try to get a definite answer for the future.

Wise decision, If in any doubt I do the same. Though i'm actively seeking answers for one or two strange routes I see. If the ticket said Glasgow Queen st only, there would be no doubt though, put SLA-GLQ into your machine and see what you get.

 

[John @ home]

Are tickets from Slateford to Glasgow Cen/Qst valid to Glasgow Queen Street via Falkirk?

No.

Slateford - Glasgow Cen/QSt tickets are route Any Permitted and are therefore valid by

• a through train. There are none Slateford - Glasgow Queen St.
• the shortest route. Slateford - Holytown - Glasgow Central is 44.25 miles.
• a route not more than 3 miles longer than the shortest route. Unfortunately, Slateford - Haymarket - Falkirk High - Glasgow Queen St is 47.75 miles and just fails to qualify.
• a mapped route. The only appropriate Routeing Point for Slateford for this journey is Motherwell Group, the only Motherwell - Glasgow map is FK, and the only mapped route is via Newton.

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could they also check the validity of a pollokshaws west to kilmarnock season ticket travelling from Glasgow central.

Pollokshaws West and Kilmarnock have a common Routeing Point - Kilmarnock.

Common Routeing Points

If the origin and destination have a common routeing point, the permitted route is direct via the shortest distance from the origin to the destination over which a regular scheduled passenger train service operates. No doubling back (passing through the same station twice on a single journey) is allowed which may require customers to change trains short of the routeing point, unless an easement allows a longer alternative route.

I can find no appropriate Easement and no route not more than 3 miles longer than the shortest route, so the only permitted route is Pollokshaws West - Barrhead - Kilmarnock.

 

[rail-britain]

could they also check the validity of a pollokshaws west to kilmarnock season ticket travelling from Glasgow central

Why would someone end up at Glasgow Central?
The ticket holder should change at Barrhead, no need to go near Glasgow Central
However the ticket holder could purchase a single from Glasgow Central to Pollokshaws West

 

[reb0118]

No.

Slateford - Glasgow Cen/QSt tickets are route Any Permitted and are therefore valid by

• a through train. There are none Slateford - Glasgow Queen St.
• the shortest route. Slateford - Holytown - Glasgow Central is 44.25 miles.
• a route not more than 3 miles longer than the shortest route. Unfortunately, Slateford - Haymarket - Falkirk High - Glasgow Queen St is 47.75 miles and just fails to qualify.
• a mapped route. The only appropriate Routeing Point for Slateford for this journey is Motherwell Group, the only Motherwell - Glasgow map is FK, and the only mapped route is via Newton.

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  Cheers, just as I thought. It is the QSt part of the Cen/Qst destination that confuses the public though. It gives the impression that they can travel to either Glasgow terminal.
  
  How about when the destination is Glasgow Queen Street + Bus when there is no mention of Central on the ticket?

 

[John @ home]

How about when the destination is Glasgow Queen Street + Bus when there is no mention of Central on the ticket?

I'm getting "No Fares Found for Origin "SLATEFORD*" and Destination "GLASGOW QUEEN ST+BUS*".

But if one of the ticketing systems will issue this ticket, then any passenger who buys it has a contractual right to travel by the shortest route, which is via Haymarket and Falkirk High.

 

[transportphoto]

Origin - 9236 SLA SLATEFORD
Destin - H856 GLASGOW QNST+BUS

There are three - a CDR, SDR & a SDS.

CDR £12.20
SDR £17.30
SDS £11.00

 

[scotsman]

No worries. I came across an SDR yesterday from Slateford to Glasgow Queen Street +bus with a YP discount. It's a fair bit cheaper than the Edinburgh to Glasgow equivalent but as I wasn't sure I let it go & will try to get a definite answer for the future.

Stupid question, but is the YP discount for a YP Railcard or a Scottish Youth Railcard. As +bus isn't valid on Scottish Youth railcards.

 

[OwlMan]

There is also a negative easement in the routeing guide which emphasises the point


300211 Customers travelling from Slateford and Kingsknowe to Glasgow Queen Street may not travel via Haymarket. This easement applies in both directions.

 

[route101]

Interesting. Have to say Slateford dosent strike me as a well used station . Maybe im wrong . Probs just as quick going on stopper via shotts .

 

[CarterUSM]

Why would someone end up at Glasgow Central?
The ticket holder should change at Barrhead, no need to go near Glasgow Central
However the ticket holder could purchase a single from Glasgow Central to Pollokshaws West

They were just trying it on, travelling from Glasgow to Kilmarnock! Another one that does the rounds is stewarton to thornliebank return, everyone and their granny buys this ticket, and it is widely sold on train. I have a feeling it may be acceptable to go via central though, could you confirm either way John@home?

 

[John @ home]

stewarton to thornliebank ... could you confirm either way John@home?

Routeing Points for Stewarton are Glasgow Group and Kilmarnock.
Routeing Points for Thornliebank are also Glasgow Group and Kilmarnock.

Common Routeing Points
If the origin and destination have a common routeing point, the permitted route is direct via the shortest distance from the origin to the destination over which a regular scheduled passenger train service operates. No doubling back (passing through the same station twice on a single journey) is allowed which may require customers to change trains short of the routeing point, unless an easement allows a longer alternative route.

http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/RSPDocuments/instructions.pdf

The limited restriction on doubling back is explained in The National Routeing Guide in Detail.

Finding a permitted route when the origin and destination stations have a routeing point in common.
If there is a common routeing point, the permitted route is the shortest route or a route which is longer by no more than 3 miles. Also permitted is the route followed by direct trains to and from the common routeing point if the journey is made on those trains.

It is the last sentence which permits travel on a direct Stewarton - Glasgow train, followed by travel on a direct Glasgow - Thornliebank train, despite this involving doubling back through Pollokshaws West and Crossmyloof.

 

[rail-britain]

Cheers, just as I thought. It is the QSt part of the Cen/Qst destination that confuses the public though. It gives the impression that they can travel to either Glasgow terminal

Customers travelling to Glasgow Queen Street are SUPPOSED to travel to Glasgow Central, and then walk to Glasgow Queen Street

How about when the destination is Glasgow Queen Street + Bus when there is no mention of Central on the ticket?

I can't find a Glasgow Queen Street + BUS

However there is a Glasgow Central + BUS
This includes the fare to Glasgow Queen Street
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stewarton to thornliebank return
I have a feeling it may be acceptable to go via central though

Yes, Stewarton to Thornliebank is valid via Glasgow Central
However it is split 50:50 with it also being possible to change at Pollokshaws West as every second service calls there

 

[CarterUSM]

Routeing Points for Stewarton are Glasgow Group and Kilmarnock.
Routeing Points for Thornliebank are also Glasgow Group and Kilmarnock.The limited restriction on doubling back is explained in The National Routeing Guide in Detail.

It is the last sentence which permits travel on a direct Stewarton - Glasgow train, followed by travel on a direct Glasgow - Thornliebank train, despite this involving doubling back through Pollokshaws West and Crossmyloof.

Thanks, this is what I thought.