Ben Rhydding
Member
This incident I witnessed about 12 months ago. Lest it be relevant, it was just before the TPE York to Castleford service began.
I was travelling from Saltburn to Leeds on the TPE which left York at 17.17. On departure from York, the guard came checking tickets. A gent a few seats away tendered the return portion of an off peak return from York to Pontefract Baghill. He explained that the 17.15, the last train of the day to Pontefract Baghill had been cancelled so he was having to go via Leeds.
Why, asked the guard, did you not take the replacement bus? The passenger didn`t think there was one. The guard asserted that there was, citing as evidence "they always put on a replacement bus when they cancel a train". The passenger, she said, should have asked station staff to direct him to the replacement bus. If, for some reason he had not wanted to use the transport so provided, he should have asked station staff to direct him to the next Northern train. But his Northern ticket was not valid on Trans Pennine.
As a matter of fact, the ticket was restricted "not via Leeds" but was not company specific.
There followed an amount of repetition about the blessings of the replacement bus and the consequences of boarding a train without a valid ticket. Eventually the guard said that "just this once" she would "exercise the discretion given to her" and allow him to travel to Leeds. But had there been "Revenue" on board he would have got a penalty fare. And he should count himself lucky as there had been "Revenue" on but they had got off at York. (Having travelled all the way from Saltburn, I don`t believe this was true).
She hadn`t yet finished. She warned him that the discretion she had just bestowed did not mean that he wouldn`t get a penalty fare on the train from Leeds. "That is a Northern train" said the passenger. "It doesn`t matter" replied the guard, "your ticket is not valid on it as you should have used the replacement bus"
Arrival at Pontefract Baghill should have been 17.47. By taking this TPE, the passenger will have reached Pontefract Monkhill at 18.30. By waiting for a Northern train from York to Leeds, he would arrive Monkhill at 19.05. By waiting for the next train to Baghill, he would arrive at 09.47 the next day. By waiting for the replacement bus, he`d still be in York now.
Can forum members suggest on how many counts this guard was in the wrong? Or, more difficult, can they find a single count on which she was right?
I was travelling from Saltburn to Leeds on the TPE which left York at 17.17. On departure from York, the guard came checking tickets. A gent a few seats away tendered the return portion of an off peak return from York to Pontefract Baghill. He explained that the 17.15, the last train of the day to Pontefract Baghill had been cancelled so he was having to go via Leeds.
Why, asked the guard, did you not take the replacement bus? The passenger didn`t think there was one. The guard asserted that there was, citing as evidence "they always put on a replacement bus when they cancel a train". The passenger, she said, should have asked station staff to direct him to the replacement bus. If, for some reason he had not wanted to use the transport so provided, he should have asked station staff to direct him to the next Northern train. But his Northern ticket was not valid on Trans Pennine.
As a matter of fact, the ticket was restricted "not via Leeds" but was not company specific.
There followed an amount of repetition about the blessings of the replacement bus and the consequences of boarding a train without a valid ticket. Eventually the guard said that "just this once" she would "exercise the discretion given to her" and allow him to travel to Leeds. But had there been "Revenue" on board he would have got a penalty fare. And he should count himself lucky as there had been "Revenue" on but they had got off at York. (Having travelled all the way from Saltburn, I don`t believe this was true).
She hadn`t yet finished. She warned him that the discretion she had just bestowed did not mean that he wouldn`t get a penalty fare on the train from Leeds. "That is a Northern train" said the passenger. "It doesn`t matter" replied the guard, "your ticket is not valid on it as you should have used the replacement bus"
Arrival at Pontefract Baghill should have been 17.47. By taking this TPE, the passenger will have reached Pontefract Monkhill at 18.30. By waiting for a Northern train from York to Leeds, he would arrive Monkhill at 19.05. By waiting for the next train to Baghill, he would arrive at 09.47 the next day. By waiting for the replacement bus, he`d still be in York now.
Can forum members suggest on how many counts this guard was in the wrong? Or, more difficult, can they find a single count on which she was right?