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Replacing Coaches With Service Buses

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philthetube

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driving a coach on stage work is a pain, elderly and laden passengers of have difficulty boarding, narrower doors and isles cause delays, along with storage space for trolleys etc. Also you have to keep a close eye on loadings as standing is not normally allowed.
 
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overthewater

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How did we EVER survival with these best running about for 40 odd years:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/98620506@N05/38345742184

Of these for 20 years..

Stagecoach_B10M_Alexander_PS_20901.jpg
 

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No good for wheelchair access or similar, but those high-floor Alexander B10Ms were solid kit and not uncomfortable inside either, nor do they look too bad. Not a bad bus in the scheme of things at all, though obviously not up to modern standards in a number of ways.

Should be shot for putting static advertising material on the destination display though!
 

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Stagecoach in South Wales have a compromise where their Enviro 300 MAN and Scania saloons have the same seating as found on Gold vehicles although covered in standard maquette.
 

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Why do they sometime use the coaches on local routes?

Stagecoach East used to run coaches every now and then on bus routes 40 (Bedford to Milton Keynes Central station; service withdrawn early 2016) and 81 (Bedford to Luton Interchange) in order to swap vehicles on coach route 99 (Luton Airport to MK Central station). They could always have sent them empty, but I guess it made sense to run them in service on the routes that ended at Luton/MK. I would love to have seen the Plaxton Panther I spotted running route 40, a few months before the service was withdrawn, making it's way around the tight roads in Bromham. That must have been fun for the driver.
 
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Going back a few years, the lines between "bus" and "coach" were often quite blurred. I grew up in Y-type land - some had narrower 2-piece doors, others had 4-leaf "bus" type doors. Some had "panoramic" windows and forced ventilation while others had smaller windows which could open. It was very much mix-and-match, depending on the requirements of the operator, and it wasn't unusual to see a vehicle that had been delivered as a bus being re-seated later in life to serve a different purpose. That was long before true low-floor buses were a thing, though.

To me it makes sense that a longer stopping route should be fitted with coach seats, but retain a bus layout, especially when accessibility is a key factor. Occasionally we get a high-floor coach on our local route, and while someone in a wheelchair isn't disadvantaged because there's a lift fitted, it's a major pain in the backside for those with shopping trolleys, especially when some drivers refuse to get off their arses to either help lift the trolleys into the vehicle, or open the underfloor lockers.
 

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Going back a few years, the lines between "bus" and "coach" were often quite blurred. I grew up in Y-type land - some had narrower 2-piece doors, others had 4-leaf "bus" type doors. Some had "panoramic" windows and forced ventilation while others had smaller windows which could open. It was very much mix-and-match, depending on the requirements of the operator, and it wasn't unusual to see a vehicle that had been delivered as a bus being re-seated later in life to serve a different purpose. That was long before true low-floor buses were a thing, though.

To me it makes sense that a longer stopping route should be fitted with coach seats, but retain a bus layout, especially when accessibility is a key factor. Occasionally we get a high-floor coach on our local route, and while someone in a wheelchair isn't disadvantaged because there's a lift fitted, it's a major pain in the backside for those with shopping trolleys, especially when some drivers refuse to get off their arses to either help lift the trolleys into the vehicle, or open the underfloor lockers.
Handbrake on,
Engine off
cash secured
log out of ticket machine
get off bus while preventing others boarding
close doors
open locker
load baggage
close locker
open doors
sort out cash
log in ticket machine
start engine and load passengers
hope no one else arrives requiring procedure to be repeated
repeat whole thing wend passenger alighting

Do you really want the driver getting off his arse to do all this when you are a passenger.
 

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Nothing stopping them going back to the 90s and using high quality buses, of course. That *is* money, which from my observation Peddle is not a fan of spending :)
I'm surprised to see you say that, considering that the first thing he did when he bought MK Metro was to completely renew the fleet.. and then continuously added new buses during his ownership
 

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Handbrake on,
Engine off
cash secured
log out of ticket machine
get off bus while preventing others boarding
close doors
open locker
load baggage
close locker
open doors
sort out cash
log in ticket machine
start engine and load passengers
hope no one else arrives requiring procedure to be repeated
repeat whole thing wend passenger alighting

Do you really want the driver getting off his arse to do all this when you are a passenger.
if I saw a driver do all that then I'd call him a pedantic idiot.. I used to operate a regular long distance bus route with a coach and the procedure was:
handbrake on and out of gear
open doors
jump off coach
open locker
load/ unload luggage
close locker
jump back in cab
load passengers
close doors
into gear handbrake off and away you go

why on earth would you log off of the ticket machine?

In my experience the regulars will know the procedure, and if someone tries to board as soon as you open the doors, just a quick hold up of the hand and a cheery "hang on a min please" usually does the trick.

And if you really think that using a coach is more time consuming than a low floor bus consider that from Aberystwyth to Carmarthen I was scheduled to take 1hr 43 mins whilst the 40 which left Aber the same time as me using a low floor bus took a further 28mins [admittedly with a 3 mile diversion to serve a village that my service didn't.... oh and my service was the busier of the 2... and strangely enough I was 9 times out of 10 bang on time whilst the low floor bus was usually late!
 

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Handbrake on,
Engine off
cash secured
log out of ticket machine
get off bus while preventing others boarding
close doors
open locker
load baggage
close locker
open doors
sort out cash
log in ticket machine
start engine and load passengers
hope no one else arrives requiring procedure to be repeated
repeat whole thing wend passenger alighting

Do you really want the driver getting off his arse to do all this when you are a passenger.
Yes!

Perhaps I'm looking at things through rural, rose-tinted specs, but I don't recall any driver having to shut down the engine, log off the ticket machine, nor secure the cash before they assisted a passenger, whether they be an old buddy with a shopping trolley, a parent with a buggy or someone that just happened to be carrying a large bag or suitcase. Passengers of an impatient disposition would generally get off their backsides to assist the driver in order to speed up the process, admittedly with the obvious huffing and hesitation (!) but we all got there in the end.

It's good customer service and going the extra mile to assist your customers is what makes your operation stand out from your competitors.
 

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Not sure if this counts but here in Yate service 680 from Yate to Filton has swapped from buses to coaches and back again a few times under both SGBC and Eurotaxis. Presumably this has been down to other driver/vehicle requirements that the companies have had at the time.

Eurotaxis have mainly used coaches on the route although for most of last academic year used minibuses. As far as I'm aware it reverted back to a full sized coach last september and has pretty much stayed like that since.
 

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Well it can't be a E400 as there's a low bridge on the route. I doubt that there's enough demand, yet, for it to go Gold but it has gradually got busier and increased in frequency at the Leicester end.
I'm pretty sure the Coventry to Leicester service has had both coaches and deckers on it in the past. Has the route changed at any point in time to include a low bridge?
 

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I'm pretty sure the Coventry to Leicester service has had both coaches and deckers on it in the past. Has the route changed at any point in time to include a low bridge?

The Coventry - Nuneaton - Leicester (48) can have double deckers but we were discussing the X7 (Leicester - Northampton - Milton Keynes) which, nowadays, goes under a low bridge.
 
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