Rail Magazine Gibber

[Flamingo]

To be fair to FGW management, they have always been issued (along with "permanent" pens for endorsing tickets), but some people didn't use them because they have lost them / too much hassle. Management have had bigger issues to concentrate on (I hope), but we have had memo's in the last few weeks reminding people to use them, and ask their managers if they need replacement.

 

[bnm]

I understand Zifa's ain't cheap. Perhaps less would be 'lost' if there was charge made for replacement*. As for being too much hassle, then that just seems unprofessional. I always think it smacks of doing things on the cheap when a ticket is 'gripped' with a meaningless scrawl.


*Highly unlikely I'd wager. Just the sort of thing that'd get Commie Bob worked up!

 

[TUC]

I'm still not clear in what way TOC staff think that writing-or stamping-a date on a ticket is any sort of proof that its being misused if the ticket is used several weeks later. Some of the comments on this thread seem to assume that any break of journey would only be for a few hours or overnight at best.

Condition 16 states: 'You may start, or break and resume, a journey (in either direction in the case of a return ticket) at any intermediate station, as long as the ticket you hold is valid for the trains you want to use.'

There's nothing there about it being a short period. As I read it, if you have a ticket valid for one month, you travel outward on day 1, also start your return journey on day 1 but break the return journey on that day and then do all the other things in life (including multiple other journeys with other tickets) for the next 29 days, you can still come back to your break point and pick up use of that ticket to finish your journey on day 30.

The concern I have about some of the comments is the same as that of Barry Doe-that writing or stamping a date implies that there is something illegitimate about using the ticket after that date.

 

[HORNIMANS]

Markings on rail tickets renders the ticket invalid. This is not just for rail tickets but is for all tickets that are purchased wether for trains, coaches, cinema, pop shows anything...

 

[Ferret]

Markings on rail tickets renders the ticket invalid. This is not just for rail tickets but is for all tickets that are purchased wether for trains, coaches, cinema, pop shows anything...

By that logic, I should've charged 70 out of the 120 people I have on my train at the moment for brand new tickets........

 

[jopsuk]

Markings on rail tickets renders the ticket invalid. This is not just for rail tickets but is for all tickets that are purchased wether for trains, coaches, cinema, pop shows anything...

Under what ruling or legislation? I rather suspect you are rather wrong on this.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Under what ruling or legislation? I rather suspect you are rather wrong on this.

Most, if not all tickets & coupons, state on them that damage or markings can render them invalid.

If a ticket has been damaged or has been tampered with or altered in any way, it is not valid for travel.

 

[mumrar]

When a member of TOC staff mark a ticket it is not considered as damaged, tampered with or altered.

Many times I'll check a ticket from somwhere like Banbury-Leicester on the last leg of their trip, so if they've had it stamped on the Banbury leg you're implying their ticket is now invalid - madness

 

[Anvil1984]

I'm still not clear in what way TOC staff think that writing-or stamping-a date on a ticket is any sort of proof that its being misused if the ticket is used several weeks later. Some of the comments on this thread seem to assume that any break of journey would only be for a few hours or overnight at best.

Condition 16 states: 'You may start, or break and resume, a journey (in either direction in the case of a return ticket) at any intermediate station, as long as the ticket you hold is valid for the trains you want to use.'

There's nothing there about it being a short period. As I read it, if you have a ticket valid for one month, you travel outward on day 1, also start your return journey on day 1 but break the return journey on that day and then do all the other things in life (including multiple other journeys with other tickets) for the next 29 days, you can still come back to your break point and pick up use of that ticket to finish your journey on day 30.

The concern I have about some of the comments is the same as that of Barry Doe-that writing or stamping a date implies that there is something illegitimate about using the ticket after that date.

Welcome to the thread and the forum

The markings are to help if the ticket has been used before. As you state MOST tickets allow a break of journey however where in the case of SORs wherethey allow travel for up to a month on the return (5 days on the outwards), some passengers try to use it as a season ticket between the two stops and attempt to get on the train to repeat the whole journey on a different day which is illegal. this is oarticularly on the shorter distance SOR tickets

 

[First class]

The FRPP (The Manual) gives guidance on what exactly should be 'marked' on the ticket.

Those with access should already be aware.

A line or circle is not normally the correct procedure.

Writing 'No further use' or something when they have arrived at their terminal station (or if it is the next stop) should be fine.

Updated

 

[HORNIMANS]

After reading the posts on this thread I think that if we abolished return fares altogether and only issued single tickets that have to be validated at time of use might be a better way to go.

 

[John @ home]

I think that if we abolished return fares altogether and only issued single tickets that have to be validated at time of use might be a better way to go.

Barry Doe is one of the people campaigning for this!

 

[LexyBoy]

After reading the posts on this thread I think that if we abolished return fares altogether and only issued single tickets that have to be validated at time of use might be a better way to go.

I'm sure the TOCs would love this simplification - instantly doubling revenue on off-peak travel!

If only singles could be bought, I'd want to see proper pricing by the mile, otherwise the inability to break your journey could end up being rather expensive.