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Does anyone know the history of the Rail 200 coaches in the Inspiration train? They are all Mark 3 coaches. One appears to be a sleeper converted into a generator coach. Are the others ex HST coaches? Alternatively are they from the West Coast Main Line or possibly ScotRail?
I'm 99% sure they are all built at Derby but can anyone confirm. I believe they were built sometime between 1975 and 1985 approximately but can anyone be more exact.

Many thanks in advance for any details.
 
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Does anyone know the history of the Rail 200 coaches in the Inspiration train? They are all Mark 3 coaches. One appears to be a sleeper converted into a generator coach. Are the others ex HST coaches? Alternatively are they from the West Coast Main Line or possibly ScotRail?
I'm 99% sure they are all built at Derby but can anyone confirm. I believe they were built sometime between 1975 and 1985 approximately but can anyone be more exact.

Many thanks in advance for any details.
The five vehicles involved are:
10406 - built Derby as Mark 3A TSO 12020 in 1975
11092 - built Derby as Mark 3B FO in 1984/5
11093 - built Derby as Mark 3B FO in 1984/5
11101 - built Derby as Mark 3B FO in 1984/5
96371 - built Derby as Mark 3A SLEP (sleeper) 10545 in 1981/2. Converted 1995 to generator van for planned (but never operated) Channel Tunnel sleepers.

All are locomotive hauled vehicles (no HST vehicles) and four (excluding the generator van) were used on the West Coast main line followed by Greater Anglia route after Pendolino introduction.
 

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The main rake and public vehicles are all loco hauled Mk3s built for the WCML but laterally finished their days on the Anglian mainline working for Greater Anglia (10406, 11092, 11093, 11101). The generator car is one of the former Mk3 Sleepers converted in the early 1990s by BR as part of the (sadly) failed NightStar concept and is owned and operated by Eastern Rail Services, who have the remaining Generator Cars and tend to operate them out of their Great Yarmouth base, with one occasionally on hire to Caledonian Sleeper.
 

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The main rake and public vehicles are all loco hauled Mk3s built for the WCML but laterally finished their days on the Anglian mainline working for Greater Anglia (10406, 11092, 11093, 11101). The generator car is one of the former Mk3 Sleepers converted in the early 1990s by BR as part of the (sadly) failed NightStar concept and is owned and operated by Eastern Rail Services, who have the remaining Generator Cars and tend to operate them out of their Great Yarmouth base, with one occasionally on hire to Caledonian Sleeper.
Many many thanks. That's really useful.
 

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I'd be curious to know what will happen with this stock after the Rail 200 tour is done, they are somewhat niche.
 

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The five vehicles involved are:
10406 - built Derby as Mark 3A TSO 12020 in 1975
11092 - built Derby as Mark 3B FO in 1984/5
11093 - built Derby as Mark 3B FO in 1984/5
11101 - built Derby as Mark 3B FO in 1984/5
96371 - built Derby as Mark 3A SLEP (sleeper) 10545 in 1981/2. Converted 1995 to generator van for planned (but never operated) Channel Tunnel sleepers.

All are locomotive hauled vehicles (no HST vehicles) and four (excluding the generator van) were used on the West Coast main line followed by Greater Anglia route after Pendolino introduction.
Many thanks for this infomation. That is great.
 

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I niotice the Inspiration 200 train is running from Eastleigh to Kingston tonight (via Chertsey, reverse at Twickenham) . It will sit it the Bay platform at Kingston for a couple of days
RTT shows it as 66710 and 96371, the latter being the generator coach. It is allowed 10 minutes to reverse at Twickenham, which seems a very short period for the loco to run round. And 12 minutes after arrival at Kingston there is a light engine move back to Eastleigh, which seems odd if the train has just been hauled into the bay platform.

Is the train being topped and tailed, or can the generator coach act as a driving trailer, or is there a second loco trapped at the buffers at Kingston for the duration, or is there another explanation?
 

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Is the train being topped and tailed, or can the generator coach act as a driving trailer, or is there a second loco trapped at the buffers at Kingston for the duration, or is there another explanation?
Every time I've seen this train it's been top and tailed, so I suspect it's a data feed issue.

The light move is presumably the rear ( on arrival at Kingston ) locomotive coming off because it won't fit properly in the bay if they left it attached?
 

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Every time I've seen this train it's been top and tailed, so I suspect it's a data feed issue.

The light move is presumably the rear ( on arrival at Kingston ) locomotive coming off because it won't fit properly in the bay if they left it attached?
Should fit - the bay is just long enough for an 8-car 455, which is c 160 metres. 2x class 66 and five mark 3s = 2x 21.3+ 5 x 23 = 157.6m.

I see from RTT that the light move was cancelled.
 

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I live near Kingston and obviously missed seeing it make the move there. I have been on it (at the Bluebell) but would quite like to see it on the move.

Does anybody know when it will be making its next move? I'm guessing that it is the 1849 empty stock movement to Tonbridge tomorrow?
 

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The five vehicles involved are:
10406 - built Derby as Mark 3A TSO 12020 in 1975
11092 - built Derby as Mark 3B FO in 1984/5
11093 - built Derby as Mark 3B FO in 1984/5
11101 - built Derby as Mark 3B FO in 1984/5
96371 - built Derby as Mark 3A SLEP (sleeper) 10545 in 1981/2. Converted 1995 to generator van for planned (but never operated) Channel Tunnel sleepers.

All are locomotive hauled vehicles (no HST vehicles) and four (excluding the generator van) were used on the West Coast main line followed by Greater Anglia route after Pendolino introduction.
12020 also spent it's time on the Scottish Region in the 1970s and 80s.
 

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Visited today. Both locos attached. Only three of the carriages open to visitors
Saw it at Upminster a while ago. The 4th carriage (TSO) was dedicated to c2c. So I guess SWR didn't bother putting any displays in the 4th carriage at Kingston?
 
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