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Preston-Edinburgh advance - breaking journey short

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MidnightFlyer

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Hi,

Quite simply:

These people I know are travelling on the 8th April, on the 1151 Preston-Edinburgh Virgin service. Advance tickets are held through to Edinburgh, but the place where they need to be is closer to Haymarket station. Would they be OK to terminate their journey early at Haymarket, or would they have to buy a ticket from Edinburgh-Haymarket?

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Matt
 
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Unfortunately BOJ/Finishing Short is not valid on Advance Purchase tickets so they would have problems getting past the Haymarket Barriers
 

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£1.20 - but to make this valid they would have to travel up to EDB then double back to HYM
 
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If they are caught travelling short on the advance ticket they will be liable for the single fare from Preston with no refund on the advance fare.
 

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So yep as I thought Matt - they have to travel up to EDB to travel (and alight) at HYM.
 

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If they exited the barriers with EDB-HYM singles who would know whether they'd actually carried on or not?
 

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I've never, ever had any problems exiting Haymarket on an Edinburgh ticket, advance or otherwise.
 

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If they exited the barriers with EDB-HYM singles who would know whether they'd actually carried on or not?
Quite. What the rules say, and what is enforceable, are not always the same thing. People can make up their own minds and make their own choice. (I know what I'd do! ;))

Must be very cheap Advance tickets or involve an overnight stay, as a CDR (undiscounted) is only about £30.
 

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Common sense or slavish following of rules?

I personally know most of the barrier staff at Haymarket and they are all thoroughly decent blokes.

Common sense would prevail in this instance or I would eat my hat. We know how the rules are written re advance tickets with regard to break of journey &c and in theory what's the difference between BOJ 1 1/4 miles from your destination or 100 miles from there? In practice, however, staff accept tickets to either station (EDB/HYM) AT either station (EDB/HYM)

You can PM me with exact times of arrival & I will speak to the guys on duty that day (unofficially) so you will have no problems.

Cheers.
 

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If they are caught travelling short on the advance ticket they will be liable for the single fare from Preston with no refund on the advance fare.
The Conditions of Carriage suggest otherwise:
"If you start, break and resume, or end your journey at an intermediate station
when you are not entitled to do so, you will be liable to pay an excess fare. This excess
fare will be the difference between the price paid for the ticket you hold and the price of
the lowest priced ticket(s) available for immediate travel that would have entitled you to
start, break and resume, or end your journey at that station on the service(s) you have
used."
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/download/misc/NRCOC.pdf

The ticket conditions say only:
"You may not start, break and resume, or end your journey at any intermediate station except to change to/from connecting trains as shown on the ticket(s) or other valid travel itinerary."
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/advance_conditions.html

So from that, I would say the excess charged should be £53.80 (SOS route Carlisle, the CDS is not available as Preston has a booking office) less the cost of the original advance single.

HHF, may I ask, is there something I have missed somewhere which dissallows this excess?
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These people I know are travelling on the 8th April, on the 1151 Preston-Edinburgh Virgin service. Advance tickets are held through to Edinburgh, but the place where they need to be is closer to Haymarket station. Would they be OK to terminate their journey early at Haymarket, or would they have to buy a ticket from Edinburgh-Haymarket?
By the book, they would have to either go into Edinburgh and back out with an Edinburgh-Haymarket ticket or pay the excess described above, but as stated by the likes of Reb, in practice you may well be allowed the break of journey.
 

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There are times when a bit of staff discretion should overrule conditions.

The example that springs to mind is where we discussed going to Blackpool South on a Blackpool North ticket (or the other way round), rule book says no, in practice the guards show discretion and allow it...
 
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