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ChrisTheRef

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Hi, first off this could possibly go in "Fares and Ticketing" so feel free to move it.

Bought a ticket today from LPY-KEN with 16-25 discount for £11.60, blissfully unaware of the chaos in Lancashire.

I got to Preston on a Virgin SV to Edinburgh. After standing on the platform for five minutes, the TM announced it'd turn around and head back to BHM.

I tried getting a rail replacement bus to Lancaster, but there was one bus for about 600 people (every train headed north was canceled)

I got my tickets stamped and I'm trying again tomorrow. I'm just wondering whether in your opinion, I can still write to Virgin and claim compensation/refund as I couldn't complete the journey? I know I can under normal circumstances, but unsure if I make the journey successfully tomorrow.
 
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If you were delayed by 24 hours I don't see why not. The point it, you intended to get to somewhere on the day, and were able to! Why shouldn't they refund you!
 

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The National Rail website indicated delays were subject to around 40 minutes. No mention of cancellations or rail replacement bus services. If trains were still running through (albeit not the one you were on) if I was the TOC I might query why you gave up so easily.

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The National Rail website indicated delays were subject to around 40 minutes. No mention of cancellations or rail replacement bus services. If trains were still running through (albeit not the one you were on) if I was the TOC I might query why you gave up so easily.

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Not if you were trying to travel between 1000 and 1400, when running any trains was too difficult for them. The loss of that period would throw the stated daytrip to Kendal rather out the window.
 

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Not if you were trying to travel between 1000 and 1400, when running any trains was too difficult for them. The loss of that period would throw the stated daytrip to Kendal rather out the window.

How long were there no trains at all then? I only know the details on the NatRail website which last indicated a 40 minute delay. If there were no trains at all then I agree with you. A daytrip would be somewhat tricky.

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The trains started running in time to allow 'One's' train to get through. The extra PW / S&T staff on hand for this train may have helped.
 

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My train was the 1020 from BHM to EDB and arrived in PRE at 1151. Instead of continuing north, it formed the 1217 back to BHM.
 

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But services started running later in the day, and there was no advice to use other operators, or postpone journeys, so unless youc hecked with and got a written signed note from the VT ticket office, I don't think you stand a snowball in hell's chance.

The maximum delay for most passengers seemed to be about 1-2hrs. Annoying, but not the worst most of us have experienced on the railways.

Yes trains are terminated short, and you may get 2 lots of passengers on one train, but that does not invalidate your ticket.
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Also, when did you buy the ticket, if you bought it on the day when the delays were known about - at station or on LDB, then you knew about the delays when you bought the ticket.

IME they refund the affected portion, so in this case you might get a 50% refund of one leg due to the dleayed service - so £2.80. They may charge an admin fee meaning it is possibly not worth it.

Caveat Empor!
 

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Have you tried looking at the passengers charter for answers.

5.1 Looking After You When Services Are Delayed

Our people are trained to identify and resolve any journey
difficulties you may have. Sometimes problems occur outside
our control that affect your journey. We will do our best to
advise you of any delays as they occur before you join one
of our trains.

If you are travelling with Virgin Trains and are delayed
for more than one hour waiting for a train at a station,
we will, where possible, provide you with vouchers for
free non-alcoholic drinks. If your train is cancelled and the
subsequent train is two or more hours later, transport will be
provided to the nearest railway station that can conveniently
be used to enable you to reach your destination station, or,
at our discretion, your actual destination. Where onward
travel on the same day is not possible (either by train or
by suitable alternative transport) we will provide overnight
hotel accommodation.

We will make every effort to ensure your comfort as soon as
we are aware of any problems, and will keep you informed of
developments. Where facilities are available, we will provide
you with a covered waiting area with seats and refreshments.
If you have already joined our train and it is delayed for more
than 30 minutes we will provide complimentary non-alcoholic
drinks until stocks are exhausted, and keep you informed of
developments. We will give you full information about any
delay to your train at regular intervals during your journey,
as well as regular announcements giving the planned station
stops and approaching stations. Our onboard Customer
Service team will help you with onward journey planning.
Announcements of the delay will be made at staffed stations
along the route. We will pass information to people meeting
our customers where possible.

In the event that disruption to the service causes delay, we will:
• get you to your destination station
• or arrange alternative transport where this is not
practical and appropriate
• or, if your onward journey is not possible, get you back
to your originating station
• or make appropriate arrangements for stranded passengers.

5.2 Compensation

If your train is delayed or cancelled, or a delay or cancellation
of a Virgin train causes a delay to your overall journey, you
may be entitled to claim compensation. If not, we will consider
claims on an ex-gratia basis.

We do not normally accept claims in cases where trains are
delayed if you were notified of the delay before you purchased
your ticket and you still decide to travel. We will, however,
consider each case on its own merits.

If a delay to a Virgin train causes an hour or more delay to
your journey (45 minutes in the case of a train on the London
- Birmingham/Wolverhampton services) we will reimburse
you with National Rail vouchers equal to 25% of the total
fare paid for the affected portion (outward/return) of the
journey. Alternatively, if you are delayed on a Virgin train by
more than two hours we will reimburse you with National Rail
vouchers equal to the full price paid for the affected portion
(outward/return) of the journey. All we ask is that you provide
us with your name, address and fare paid, on a Virgin Trains
postage-paid claim form provided and validated by our onboard
people at the time of the delay. If this is not possible, please
write to us at the address shown in section 6 of this Charter.
Please include your ticket as proof of purchase. National Rail
vouchers, which can be redeemed against journeys on Virgin
Trains, or on other Train Operating Companies’ services will
then be sent to you. This applies to holders of all tickets,
including season ticket holders.

5.3 Refunds

5.3.1 Immediate Refund
If the train you planned to catch is delayed or cancelled and
you decide not to travel, we will, where possible, give you a
full refund if you return your ticket to any ticket office.
Alternatively you may claim a refund by writing to our
Customer Relations Manager.
 

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So it really depends when you bought the ticket. Best just to get a VT cklaim form and send it off, but don't get your hopes too high.
 

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5.3.1 Immediate Refund
If the train you planned to catch is delayed or cancelled and
you decide not to travel, we will, where possible, give you a
full refund if you return your ticket to any ticket office.
Alternatively you may claim a refund by writing to our
Customer Relations Manager.


Surely this means you can get a refund, because the OP wanted to specifically travel on an early train to ensure he got there early,therefore travelling later completely ruins the objective.

I would certainly not travel somewhere late for the sake of pleasing a train company when my journey had been ruined.
 
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He may only get a refund for the unused part (because the op did make a journey, even if only to Preston!), but yes, that was my feeling. It may depend on who processes the claim and what side of the bed they got out of!
 

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He may only get a refund for the unused part (because the op did make a journey, even if only to Preston!), but yes, that was my feeling. It may depend on who processes the claim and what side of the bed they got out of!

Yeh agreed, its extremely unlikely you'd get a full refund
 
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