Poll: What are your suggestions for the future redundant HST sets?

[cactustwirly]

That doesn't really alter the point that HST's represent potential greater capacity and an InterCity standard interior which would suit the service.

And unlike class 37's recently, they have a proven track record of operating on routes which are more winding and stop/start than the S&C.

Because 158s are better suited to the route?
I don't see why the S&C needs a Intercity Standard interior, when it's a regional stopping service?
The 158s have a much better acceleration for the frequent stops, and they are much cheaper to maintain than the HSTs!

 

[yorksrob]

Because 158s are better suited to the route?
I don't see why the S&C needs a Intercity Standard interior, when it's a regional stopping service?
The 158s have a much better acceleration for the frequent stops, and they are much cheaper to maintain than the HSTs!

But there aren't enough 158's to go around. The FoSC for example want to see longer trains on the route, and that isn't going to happen without additional resources.

Plus the S&C is a tourist attraction in its own right, as well as being a regional "stopper" (It's the fast service between Leeds and Skipton). The large windows and widely spaced seating in a 1st class mk 3 are ideal for tourists doing the scenic trip.

 

[cactustwirly]

But there aren't enough 158's to go around. The FoSC for example want to see longer trains on the route, and that isn't going to happen without additional resources.

Plus the S&C is a tourist attraction in its own right, as well as being a regional "stopper" (It's the fast service between Leeds and Skipton). The large windows and widely spaced seating in a 1st class mk 3 are ideal for tourists doing the scenic trip.

But won't more 158s be available when the 195s enter service?
Anyway the Mk3s are almost life expired, with quite extensive corrosion, so would be unsuitable in the long term.

 

[yorksrob]

But won't more 158s be available when the 195s enter service?
Anyway the Mk3s are almost life expired, with quite extensive corrosion, so would be unsuitable in the long term.

There's going to be quite a lot of call on the 158's, even with new stock coming in, as so much older stock is being withdrawn. Plus, their comparatively high density layout doesn't quite suit the tourist market.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

Have any of the preserved lines expressed an interest in keeping a set (or two)?

 

[sprinterguy]

As I recall, there was a proposal put to BR when they were considering closing the S&C in the eighties to illustrate that utilising 1+4 HST formations, released from the East Coast by electrification, over the route to a clockface (2-hourly?) timetable, combined with continuously welded rail, selective singling to improve alignment and enhance linespeeds and RETB signalling, could reduce operating costs overall and attract custom by improving the passenger experience.

This was against the contemporary infrequent loco-hauled operation using some of BR's most decrepit stock over a decaying route starved of investment, rather than the current Sprinter operation over a line maintained for heavy freight, however, and the HSTs are now over thirty years older.

Have any of the preserved lines expressed an interest in keeping a set (or two)?

Not specifically as far as I am aware, but the 125 Group are currently raising funds to build a storage and running shed for their current and future HST stock on the Great Central Railway (North).

 

[GrimShady]

As I recall, there was a proposal put to BR when they were considering closing the S&C in the eighties to illustrate that utilising 1+4 HST formations, released from the East Coast by electrification, over the route to a clockface (2-hourly?) timetable, combined with continuously welded rail, selective singling to improve alignment and enhance linespeeds and RETB signalling, could reduce operating costs overall and attract custom by improving the passenger experience.

This was against the contemporary infrequent loco-hauled operation using some of BR's most decrepit stock over a decaying route starved of investment, rather than the current Sprinter operation over a line maintained for heavy freight, however, and the HSTs are now over thirty years older.

Not specifically as far as I am aware, but the 125 Group are currently raising funds to build a storage and running shed for their current and future HST stock on the Great Central Railway (North).

Maybe a return of Glasgow - Yorkshire services that haven't run since the 70s?