Peak District Public Transport

[tbtc]

There was also a PMT service that went to sheffield (from Stoke perhaps)?

The X23 - I can't remember seeing "Badger" liveried buses on it (Potteries Motor Transport were bought by Badgerline about twenty years ago), but I do recall seeing the exotic FirstBus branding on X23 buses a year or two before they became commonplace in South Yorkshire with the purchase of Mainline.

The X23 was later renumbered X18 (to fit in with other Hanley - Leek services?), then split into the 118 (Hanley - Buxton) and 218 (Buxton - Sheffield).

The 218 survives today as a TM Travel service from Sheffield to Bakewell, but runs onto Matlock instead (replacing the 214).

There was an hourly service run by Richardsons Travel from Sheffield to Manchester Airport in the late 80s. It just wasn't used enough and expired after a few years. The Ribble/SYT service was never more than three a day.

SYT maintained the hourly service when taking it over from Richardsons around twenty years ago. Didn't last long, can't be sure when though.

 

[AndyHudds]

How does a line between Greater Manchester and South Yorkshire benefit Derbyshire? Yes there's a brief dip-in but that's it.

The title of the thread is Peak District Public Transport not Derbyshire Public Transport, where as the majority of the park is in Derbyshire,some parts of the park are in West and South Yorkshire as well as Greater Manchester!! A lot of the closed Woodhead route is in the Peak District National Park, granted only a little dips into Derbyshire around the Torside area.

 

[johnnychips]

SYT maintained the hourly service when taking it over from Richardsons around twenty years ago. Didn't last long, can't be sure when though.

Thanks, I didn't know that. Did they take over Richardsons, or just the route?

The X67 and X23 used to have extra journeys on Friday and Sunday nights aimed at transporting students home for the weekend to Chesterfield from Manchester and Keele universities, but I suppose that market must have disappeared - easier by train?

 

[tbtc]

The title of the thread is Peak District Public Transport not Derbyshire Public Transport, where as the majority of the park is in Derbyshire,some parts of the park are in West and South Yorkshire as well as Greater Manchester!! A lot of the closed Woodhead route is in the Peak District National Park, granted only a little dips into Derbyshire around the Torside area.

True - and I like the way that the Derbyshire publicity covers the whole Peak District - which can give people a misleading impression of some services around Sheffield - where a frequent "Overground" service only had a couple of journeys a day shown (e.g. beyond Totley to Owler Bar, beyond Lodge Moor to Wyming Brook, beyond Bents Green to Ringinglow).

Don't know whether SYPTE fund this (like they fund the fourth carriages of the West Yorkshire based 333s!)

 

[edwin_m]

It runs the whole route from Manchester to Derby but is split into 3 routes officially. It no longer runs to Nottingham. It is possible to run such a long route without splitting as long as a tachograph is used. I guess as the service has been run by a coach for years I wouldn't be surprised if it had a tacho even before the rule came in.

Aren't there also more onerous rules on driver working hours if a route goes over the length limit?

Of course in a rational world this would run from Matlock and Buxton making rail connections both ends and thus being much less affected by road congestion, with other more suitable services on the other legs. Or the railway would never have been closed in the first place...

 

[johnnychips]

Really showing my age, in the 60s the X2 joint service by North Western and Trent ran the Manchester-Nottingham route with limited stops, while the 4/4A routes did the stopping service from Buxton to Derby. Bus and rail tickets were interavailable.

 

[brompton rail]

The X2 Derby - Manchester ran via Ashbourne, Leek, Macclesfield and Stockport. When Stagecoach GM South took over and ran dual purpose vehicles the Stockport based drivers were keen to see it prosper and grow. But it died eventually and the co- sponsorship of Derbyshire, Cheshire, Staffordshire ( and perhaps EU) resulted in cost cutting so that all that remains is 108.

APOLOGIES: This service was the X1 later 201 ( in GM South days)!

 

[Deerfold]

Aren't there also more onerous rules on driver working hours if a route goes over the length limit?

If running on a tachograph they're working to EU hours rules as coach drivers do.

In some aspects they're more onerous and in some less onerous.

It's not particularly difficult to run to them, but if you do that driver/s is using different rules to your other drivers so working out their shifts can get complicated unless all your drivers are working on those rules - and then you have the expense of tachographs on all your vehicles.

 

[Wyvern]

Regarding the Transpeak from Derby to Manchester, I believe the timetable says there is a crew change at Dove Holes but passngers may stay on the bus.

I seem to remember both routes running concurrently: the Trent via Buxton and the Stagecoach (?) via Ashbourne and Leek. Both would have had the same problems with Stockport traffic.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Regarding the Transpeak from Derby to Manchester, I believe the timetable says there is a crew change at Dove Holes but passngers may stay on the bus.

I have been on Stockport-bound buses that have actually pulled into the grounds of the depot and onto the forecourt of Dove Holes depot, outside the office, where a crew change was effected.

 

[Wyvern]

It used to call in when I've been on it in the past.

 

[NorthernSpirit]

The northern Peak District in summer also obtains a bus service to Torside, Holme Moss, Homlfirth, Honley and Huddersfield numbered as service 951 Peak DayTripper and was operated by Centrebus Holding's Huddersfield Bus Company. Next year I suspect it shall be Arriva South Pennines?

I still think that there should be a bus service from Barnsley to Glossop running via Penistone, Langsett, Woodhead Pass, Torside and Glossop, could be popular.

 

[harry42]

The northern Peak District in summer also obtains a bus service to Torside, Holme Moss, Homlfirth, Honley and Huddersfield numbered as service 951 Peak DayTripper and was operated by Centrebus Holding's Huddersfield Bus Company. Next year I suspect it shall be Arriva South Pennines?

I still think that there should be a bus service from Barnsley to Glossop running via Penistone, Langsett, Woodhead Pass, Torside and Glossop, could be popular.

High peak could operate it? (Unfortunately.)

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The northern Peak District in summer also obtains a bus service to Torside, Holme Moss, Homlfirth, Honley and Huddersfield numbered as service 951 Peak DayTripper and was operated by Centrebus Holding's Huddersfield Bus Company. Next year I suspect it shall be Arriva South Pennines?

I still think that there should be a bus service from Barnsley to Glossop running via Penistone, Langsett, Woodhead Pass, Torside and Glossop, could be popular.

That service from Huddersfield had five journeys in both directions and had onward timed connections with the service 61 from Glossop to Buxton via Furness Vale and Horwich End.

The part of the run on the 951 service from Homlfirth, via Holme, to Glossop traverses some quite wild moorland areas. Not exactly a state-of-the-art route for PS, but interesting, nonetheless.

 

[AnonymousUser1]

part of the prioblem is that ' the peak district' doesnlt have a single top levle LA , although most of it is in Derbyshire, there are parts which are SYorks, GMan or Staffs ...

 

[brompton rail]

Although the Peak District is covered by a National Park Authority.

 

[harry42]

Off-topic but I think it is very strange that you have to pay for bus timetable booklets in Derbyshire!!!

 

[brompton rail]

Off-topic but I think it is very strange that you have to pay for bus timetable booklets in Derbyshire!!!

Well, you don't HAVE to! All bus timetables are in their on line timetable library and can be easily downloaded. That way you will be getting the latest timetable, or even the future revision.

I'm not sure why Derbyshire County Council should give away their substantial and well produced books for FREE though? Few other councils now produce books and even fewer bring out update leaflets. South Yorkshire PTE, West Yorkshire Metro, North Yorkshire, to name a few only produce leaflets. East Riding, North Lincs produce nothing at all as far as I can see.

 

[radamfi]

Derbyshire has long been famous for their high quality timetable books. Before the internet I was a regular subscriber.

 

[harry42]

Oh ok!!! Didn't realise about the website!

 

[Mitch in Notts]

East Riding, North Lincs produce nothing at all as far as I can see.

North Lincs have produced a series of 7 area booklets for over a decade. They were replaced last year by 7 area folders with council leaflets in them. For full details of publications see barrydoe.co.uk

 

[Deerfold]

Oh ok!!! Didn't realise about the website!

They also do (or at least did until very recently) free individual leaflets for any routes where the operator did not produce one.

When I was a student in Notts I used to buy the Southern Derbyshire booklet as much for the fact it brought together so many of my local routes - If I was travelling without a predetermined plan I'd have either that or the NCT booklet which between them contained all the buses I caught with any regularity. I was then a bonus when I was travelling through Derbyshire (usually broadly towards Stockport/Manchester).