My Idea for Cheaper Alternatives to Crossrail 2

[AlanFry1]

Moderator note: Split from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/london-2050-tube-map.203893

Something tells me most of this won't happen. I really can't see CR2 happening as it was looking a bit precarious after Brexit, now with the Virus on top I think its gone for good.

Cheaper Alternatives to CR2:
> Stratford remodelling - rebuild the LO platforms as two through platforms, and try and slot in a bay platform somewhere close to Platform 10 for the Star service. LO services can be extended to Chingford, to provide a useful Stratford - Walthamstow - Chingford route relieving pressure off the northern end of victoria line
> Improve services in West Anglia to make journeys into Liverpool St quicker - the reason why the VIC at nothern end is so full is because trains only seem to go slow or v rarely semi fast.
> Enfield/Cheshunt to Barking Riverside route opened up?
> Improvements to Piccadilly Line are much needed - trains need to be MORE frequent and MORE quicker, end of.
> Thameslink improvements once fully completed with Welwyn semi fasts going into london will mean increased capacity slightly on the picc and vic lines anyway
> Extend Thameslink/Great Northern services from Moorgate to Waterloo via the Waterloo and City Line roughly a similar sort of length of stock used? Not sure how possible this one is!!
To South London, I guess that Bakerloo Line extension could instead go towards Brixton/Crystal Palace rather than Lewisham? Northern line extension to Clapham will help in spade loads and then the whole splitting northern into the northern and southern lines

 

[Bald Rick]

Cheaper Alternatives to CR2:
> Stratford remodelling - rebuild the LO platforms as two through platforms, and try and slot in a bay platform somewhere close to Platform 10 for the Star service. LO services can be extended to Chingford, to provide a useful Stratford - Walthamstow - Chingford route relieving pressure off the northern end of victoria line
> Improve services in West Anglia to make journeys into Liverpool St quicker - the reason why the VIC at nothern end is so full is because trains only seem to go slow or v rarely semi fast.
> Enfield/Cheshunt to Barking Riverside route opened up?
> Improvements to Piccadilly Line are much needed - trains need to be MORE frequent and MORE quicker, end of.
> Thameslink improvements once fully completed with Welwyn semi fasts going into london will mean increased capacity slightly on the picc and vic lines anyway
> Extend Thameslink/Great Northern services from Moorgate to Waterloo via the Waterloo and City Line roughly a similar sort of length of stock used? Not sure how possible this one is!!
To South London, I guess that Bakerloo Line extension could instead go towards Brixton/Crystal Palace rather than Lewisham? Northern line extension to Clapham will help in spade loads and then the whole splitting northern into the northern and southern lines

Oh good grief.

1) how do you extend services to Chingford? Cost?
2) how do you improve the WAML services to make them quicker? Cost?
3) Piccadilly Line - is proposed anyway. CR2 assumes it had happened
4) Thameslink reducing Picc, Vic traffic. Really? How?
5) extend GN services to Waterloo. Immediately beyond the Northern City Line tunnels is the Elizabeth line ticket hall. The Bank of England vaults a couple of hundred or so metres further on. The W&C tunnel are too small. Cost? (also, for mods, can we consider a similar policy to London Reconnections and immediately delete any comments suggesting linking the NCL tunnels to the Waterloo and City.
6) Northern Line to Clapham Junction - can’t happen until after CR2, otherwise the Northern will be full from Clapham Junction and no one able to board at any station north thereof.