Modern buses that have been scrapped

[Cambus731]

An Eastern National Leyland National got smashed up on its first day in service in the mid 70s.

 

[90019]

Lothian Buses Volvo B9TL/Wright Eclipse Gemini 390, SN11EDX, was gutted by fire at Oxgangs last night (16/12/13) while working service 4. The cause of the fire was vandalism and the police are now seeking a 14-16 year old youth who was seen leaving the bus at Oxgangs at around 2230, shortly before 390 went up in flames. All those on board including the driver escaped safely.

390's future is presently uncertain although stories I've been hearing suggest that it is beyond repair and will probably be written off.

Judging by what I heard in Central last night, it'll be a write off.
From what I could tell, the whole structure of the bus has been badly damaged, however it sounded as if the hard drive may be intact, so they may be able to get the CCTV.

 

[Blindtraveler]

Its a while since wev had anything like this happen round here and hope the police catch him! Wonder if they'll use insurance to replace it, or wate till we next order more deckers. Be nice to have some new dubble deck vehicles as some of the tridents although not all are aging.

 

[90019]

Its a while since wev had anything like this happen round here and hope the police catch him! Wonder if they'll use insurance to replace it, or wate till we next order more deckers.

I'm sure they'll get the insurance payout, but I'm not sure it'll be replaced until the next lot of deckers are ordered. After all, there are still more Tridents in storage that can be brought back into service (I've heard it mentioned a couple of times that there may be a 500 back out, but I don't know if there's any truth in that)

Be nice to have some new dubble deck vehicles as some of the tridents although not all are aging.

I think we'll have the 04 plate ones for a while yet, especially with the awful new screens they're putting on them.
The next new buses should be the new single deck hybrids, which I think are due to arrive in a month or two. I'm not certain as I've not been keeping up to date with what's going on recently.

 

[DunsBus]

Judging by what I heard in Central last night, it'll be a write off.
From what I could tell, the whole structure of the bus has been badly damaged, however it sounded as if the hard drive may be intact, so they may be able to get the CCTV.

I had heard that 390 almost split in two when it was recovered and great care had to be taken to get it on to the recovery vehicle. It sounds as if the chassis also took a hit.
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I'm sure they'll get the insurance payout, but I'm not sure it'll be replaced until the next lot of deckers are ordered. After all, there are still more Tridents in storage that can be brought back into service (I've heard it mentioned a couple of times that there may be a 500 back out, but I don't know if there's any truth in that)



I think we'll have the 04 plate ones for a while yet, especially with the awful new screens they're putting on them.
The next new buses should be the new single deck hybrids, which I think are due to arrive in a month or two. I'm not certain as I've not been keeping up to date with what's going on recently.

They don't even need to replace 390 with a new vehicle as there are plenty of spare Tridents kicking about to put back on the road in its place. With the original Dart 75 it was different as that bus was only 6 months old and still under warranty when it was burnt out.
Even then Lothian had to pay for the replacement 75 themselves and then send the bill for it in to the insurers for them to settle.

Lothian will certainly get the payout for 390 but I doubt that a replacement bus will be ordered on to the next batch of new deckers. It just means that they will be one Gemini down from now on and there will be a gap in the 351-400 series as a result of 390's demise.

The new Hybrids, I believe, are for the 30 and are to Euro 6 spec.
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Its a while since wev had anything like this happen round here and hope the police catch him! Wonder if they'll use insurance to replace it, or wate till we next order more deckers. Be nice to have some new dubble deck vehicles as some of the tridents although not all are aging.

I doubt it -as I've just mentioned, there are plenty of spare Tridents kicking about to put back on the road to replace 390. Buying a brand new one-off vehicle to replace a fire victim doesn't make economic sense and I think it'll be unlikely an extra vehicle will be added on to the next order either.

 

[90019]

I had heard that 390 almost split in two when it was recovered and great care had to be taken to get it on to the recovery vehicle. It sounds as if the chassis also took a hit.

I did hear something about it being difficult to recover because of the danger of splitting in half.

The new Hybrids, I believe, are for the 30 and are to Euro 6 spec.

I'd heard they were to go on the 2, but I'd assume they'll probably end up going on both.
I'm just hoping we get some of the old Volvos back at Central.

 

[Blindtraveler]

I would guess that the new 7900s on iether 2s or 30s will mean curtains for the remaining darts, some of which are still pritty reasonable and if thats the case the volvos will Id think be split between depots

 

[DunsBus]

I would guess that the new 7900s on iether 2s or 30s will mean curtains for the remaining darts, some of which are still pritty reasonable and if thats the case the volvos will Id think be split between depots

Twenty Darts are to go when the hybrids arrive - off the top of my head there are around 35 still in Lothian stock. The 'green' Darts 53-60 will survive this cull and will come off with the next again delivery of single-deckers. The hybrids are, AFAIK, all to go to Longstone.

 

[90019]

Twenty Darts are to go when the hybrids arrive - off the top of my head there are around 35 still in Lothian stock. The 'green' Darts 53-60 will survive this cull and will come off with the next again delivery of single-deckers. The hybrids are, AFAIK, all to go to Longstone.

As much as I really like some of the white top Pointers we still have at Central (63, 64, 67, 68 and 70 in particular ), I would like some of the old Volvos back - especially 127 and 134.

 

[90sWereBetter]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but First Beeline 236 (X236AMO), which was nvolved in a level crossing crash at Egham with an SWT 455, just a month after entering service in 2000. Needless to say, the bus was a total write-off.

 

[richw]

I'd think the one that hit a tree in London today will be off to scrap, unsure of the age but the BBC show clip showed the fire brigade chopping it up to get people out

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25465221

 

[DunsBus]

I'd think the one that hit a tree in London today will be off to scrap, unsure of the age but the BBC show clip showed the fire brigade chopping it up to get people out

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25465221

It's not been a good week for Gemini double-deckers - first we had the loss of Lothian 390 on Monday night to arson, and now the accident in London.

 

[ValleyLines142]

Any pics of Lothian 390?

 

[Antman]

A very significant bus was almost destroyed - in fact it would have probably been scrapped if it was not such an important bus - the Spirit of London bus.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20014969

Not fully destroyed, but worth a mention I feel!

I heard from somebody at Stagecoach that if a repair wasn't cost effective it would have been scrapped, another bus can be called 'Spirit of London'.

The original idea was that the bus would operate soley on route 30 but as Stagecoach have since lost the route that has gone by the wayside.

In reality, it's just another bus nowadays!

 

[pompeyfan]

There's talk that one of first hampshires streetlite max has been written off due to a freak accident with a drain cover, although I swear I heard recently it's at Barton park for assessment... Either way, a costly bill en route to Portsmouth City council.

 

[Strathclyder]

This ALX400 that hit a bridge earlier today in south-west London could end up being written off:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25496956

 

[richw]

This ALX400 that hit a bridge earlier today in south-west London could end up being written off:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25496956

More likely to become an open top tourist bus somewhere.

 

[Blindtraveler]

Who's was it?

 

[313103]

Who's was it?

London Uniteds TA314 SN03DZM.

 

[Blindtraveler]

hmm yeh defo an open topper somewhere.

 

[DunsBus]

Judging by what I heard in Central last night, it'll be a write off.
From what I could tell, the whole structure of the bus has been badly damaged, however it sounded as if the hard drive may be intact, so they may be able to get the CCTV.

I've since heard that the hard drive got fried along with 390, so unless witnesses come forward finding the culprit responsible for its destruction may prove impossible.

Apparently once the fire was out, control then asked the driver if the bus could be driven back to base despite it being little more than a burnt-out wreck! hock::roll:

 

[90019]

I've since heard that the hard drive got fried along with 390, so unless witnesses come forward finding the culprit responsible for its destruction may prove impossible.

Shame.
But from the description of it being a young teenager, I doubt much would've happened anyway.

Apparently once the fire was out, control then asked the driver if the bus could be driven back to base despite it being little more than a burnt-out wreck! hock::roll:

While they do occasionally ask what at first appear to be silly questions* like that, I think that's more likely to be rumour that's spread and is now being told by some as fact. Particularly as the fire took a while to put out and they already had people there.

*What may seem obvious to you standing next to the bus, may not be to them as they can't see it.

 

[DunsBus]

Shame.
But from the description of it being a young teenager, I doubt much would've happened anyway.



While they do occasionally ask what at first appear to be silly questions* like that, I think that's more likely to be rumour that's spread and is now being told by some as fact. Particularly as the fire took a while to put out and they already had people there.

*What may seem obvious to you standing next to the bus, may not be to them as they can't see it.

You may be right there. I saw a photo of the remains of 390 after the fire had been put out and there was no way it could have been driven, especially if the rumours about it almost splitting in two during the recovery turn out to be correct.

Incidentally, 390 is the first-ever Marine decker to be lost in this way.

 

[Blindtraveler]

Cant really blame them for occasionally loosing it and asking something daft, they get it from the passengers as its highly infectious!

 

[90019]

You may be right there. I saw a photo of the remains of 390 after the fire had been put out and there was no way it could have been driven, especially if the rumours about it almost splitting in two during the recovery turn out to be correct.

When I heard them talking about it being in danger of splitting in two, I don't think the recovery had actually started at that point.

 

[richw]

Apparently once the fire was out, control then asked the driver if the bus could be driven back to base despite it being little more than a burnt-out wreck! hock::roll:

Its highly likely control weren't aware of the extent at the point they asked if it could be driven.
After any car accident I've dealt with the insurance companies have always asked if the car is driveable, if the answer is no they tend to get a courtesy car out same day, if the answer is yes they don't rush the courtesy car out.

 

[Blindtraveler]

Bump! Anyone confirm or otherwise that an FSE Bus from Musselburgh depot was written of lately? Unsure of age or other details.